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SFBadger96

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #70 on: June 15, 2020, 03:35:05 PM »
2002 USC (west), also. Technically co-champs with Washington State, but Wazzu had the head-to-head and went to the Rose Bowl. That Trojan team felt like it was getting better and better, and could have taken anyone on (including Ohio State and Miami).
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #71 on: June 15, 2020, 03:45:36 PM »
How could Miami/tOSU not be getting better and better when they both went in undefeated?And USC lost twice :017:
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #72 on: June 15, 2020, 04:17:43 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on June 15, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
How could Miami/tOSU not be getting better and better when they both went in undefeated?And USC lost twice :017:
If you stink at first, it's easy to "get hot" as the season progresses.  It's a garbage argument for teams that don't belong.
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #73 on: June 15, 2020, 04:18:25 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 15, 2020, 12:32:36 PM
It was in place because for many years, the only bowl game the Big Ten was tied to was the Rose. None of the other teams went to bowl games.
Another dumb rule.
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #74 on: June 15, 2020, 04:47:24 PM »
the rule wasn't dumb when the big ten only played in one bowl

it was dumb later when there were more bowl games
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #75 on: June 15, 2020, 09:16:23 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 14, 2020, 08:08:51 PM
1998 Kansas State!

Started 10-0, was upset by A&M in the BXIICG, and lost to Purdue @ the Alamo.
They held 8 of their first 9 opponents to single-digits.
QB Bishop was a Heisman contender.

Bubkus.
I don't know if this affected the Big 12 CCG, but DC Bob Stoops and ass't coaches Mike Stoops and Brent Venables left K-State to come to OU before the bowl game.
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #76 on: June 15, 2020, 09:44:50 PM »
many wildcat fans think this was a huge factor

many Cat fans hate the Stoops family and all of their ancestors for this
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #77 on: June 15, 2020, 09:54:15 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 15, 2020, 09:44:50 PM
many wildcat fans think this was a huge factor

many Cat fans hate the Stoops family and all of their ancestors for this
I think that Bob may have mended fences a bit when he took out a full-page "celebrate his great career" ad in the local paper upon Wild Bill's first retirement.
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #78 on: June 15, 2020, 09:59:07 PM »
dern little bit
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #79 on: June 15, 2020, 11:05:05 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on June 15, 2020, 09:16:23 PM
I don't know if this affected the Big 12 CCG, but DC Bob Stoops and ass't coaches Mike Stoops and Brent Venables left K-State to come to OU before the bowl game.
Small thing, it was just Mike and Brent. Bob went to OU from UF. 
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #80 on: June 16, 2020, 12:05:57 AM »
Right you are.  Don't know how I forgot that!
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #81 on: June 16, 2020, 11:31:09 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on June 15, 2020, 03:45:36 PM
How could Miami/tOSU not be getting better and better when they both went in undefeated?And USC lost twice :017:
first, that's not what he said. usc getting better and better doesn't preclude osu and miami from doing the same.

second, he said it "felt" like usc was getting better as season went along, and they did. they were white hot at seasons end and looked like they could beat anyone, including the 2 that played for the title. doesn't mean usc deserved a shot at the title, but not deserving a shot doesn't mean they couldn't also play competitively with them either.

finally, looking at records and going from memory, i feel the same as @SFBadger96 . usc started pretty weak, having close games and losing a couple of them. then finished on a tear, beating 5 top 25 teams by double digits. including 2 top 10 teams by an average of 26 points.
conversely, both osu and miami started out very strong, and mostly stayed strong but "struggled" a bit with their top 25 teams faced later in the season.

usc started as a mediocre team and finished as a great team. osu and miami started as a great team and finished as a great team. both can be (and imo, are) true; that usc could have contended with and maybe beaten osu and miami at seasons end, and that usc didn't deserve that chance because they didn't play the whole season as such. it is not disparaging osu and/or miami to say the usc got better throughout the season to the point they could compete with them.
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #82 on: June 16, 2020, 12:03:51 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on June 16, 2020, 11:31:09 AM
first, that's not what he said. usc getting better and better doesn't preclude osu and miami from doing the same.

second, he said it "felt" like usc was getting better as season went along, and they did. they were white hot at seasons end and looked like they could beat anyone, including the 2 that played for the title. doesn't mean usc deserved a shot at the title, but not deserving a shot doesn't mean they couldn't also play competitively with them either.

finally, looking at records and going from memory, i feel the same as @SFBadger96 . usc started pretty weak, having close games and losing a couple of them. then finished on a tear, beating 5 top 25 teams by double digits. including 2 top 10 teams by an average of 26 points.
conversely, both osu and miami started out very strong, and mostly stayed strong but "struggled" a bit with their top 25 teams faced later in the season.

usc started as a mediocre team and finished as a great team. osu and miami started as a great team and finished as a great team. both can be (and imo, are) true; that usc could have contended with and maybe beaten osu and miami at seasons end, and that usc didn't deserve that chance because they didn't play the whole season as such. it is not disparaging osu and/or miami to say the usc got better throughout the season to the point they could compete with them.
Also worth noting USC’s schedule was beastly.

Here's the slate
9-4 Auburn
9-5 Colorado
11-2 K-State
8-5 Oregon State
10-3 Washington State
7-5 Cal
7-6 Washington
7-6 Oregon
2-9 Stanford
8-6 Arizona State
8-5 UCLA
10-3 ND 
11-2 Iowa

They ended up eighth in MOV

It would've also been odd were there a four-team playoff. You would've had two undefeateds, 12-1 UGA and probably 12-1 Iowa since they had a true split Big Ten. So then USC, which as we've said was very good, and the WSU team that beat USC for a conference title would've been out. Maybe not so odd.
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #83 on: June 16, 2020, 02:22:43 PM »
Was that the year USC played Illinois and UGA played Hawaii?  UGA was 11-2 that year, two rather bizarre losses, sort of.  2007.  Matt Stafford at QB.

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