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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2020, 03:03:57 PM »
MSU spoiling OSU's 1996?  1998?  Both? season(s) must have been maddening.


On '06 Michigan....I realize OSU was IN and the debate to play them was UM again or Florida, and then what happened happened, but I like to wonder about that '06 Michigan team vs Florida.  

How would they have fared vs the Gators?  Obviously, no one saw it coming, what UF did to OSU, but you did see the best of that Florida team - crazy pass-rushing DEs, great DB play, diverse running game with Tebow and Harvin, efficient passing game...

All I remember from that UM team was the lockdown defense, which OSU exploited in their game.  What would have been different if it was UM facing Florida?
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2020, 03:10:36 PM »
'98 and '15.

Both times in Columbus.  I think we've won like 5 times road/neutral against OSU since that '98 upset, but haven't won at home in over two decades

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2020, 03:23:51 PM »
I'm still amazed that of MSU's recent success, their best season came with one of their worst defenses.
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2020, 03:34:04 PM »
Who is Hawk?


Just the best B1G linebacker in history. No biggie.

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2020, 03:36:09 PM »
Just the best B1G linebacker in history. No biggie.
Was he though? 

LaVarr Arrington was pretty spectacular. I think would go with him.

I wouldn’t even put Hawk as the best OSU Lb. For my money that’s Chris Spielman.

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2020, 04:13:25 PM »
Just the best B1G linebacker in history. No biggie.
Oh, you spelled it wrong. 

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2020, 04:16:48 PM »
'98 and '15.

Both times in Columbus.  I think we've won like 5 times road/neutral against OSU since that '98 upset, but haven't won at home in over two decades
I was going to add that 15 Buckeye team to this list. I feel they were the best team by far that year.  
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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2020, 04:23:22 PM »
I'm still amazed that of MSU's recent success, their best season came with one of their worst defenses.
SP+ has them #12 offense, #14 defense, #7 overall (behind an elite offense, but 8-5 Auburn team)

Thats a tick down defensively, but that has to be their highest offensive ranking.

EDIT: Unless you mean 2015?  In which case I'd argue that team wasn't all that good, just won every close game aside from a bad call at Nebraska.  Of the Dantonio teams, I'd put that one for sure behind 2014 (the best), 2013, 2010 and 2011.  It's closer to 2008 or 2017.

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2020, 04:34:42 PM »
MSU spoiling OSU's 1996?  1998?  Both? season(s) must have been maddening.
Both of those OSU teams won a share of the Big Ten title, rendering them ineligible in accordance to the criteria that YOU authored.

1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2020, 06:46:43 PM »
So OSU in accordance to the rules set forth in the OP (no division/conference/national title) by decade:

2010s: 2011 by default, because it is the only eligible team.

20ots: 2003 was the top team that meets the criteria, with an 11-2 record and Top 5 finish.

1990s: 1995 they were 11-2, finishing in the top ten.

1980s: The 1983 team somehow finished in the Top Ten at 9-3. There were a few other 9-3 teams that didn't win a conference title, but they weren't ranked nearly as high at seasons end.

1970s: The only two eligible teams are 1971 and 1978. Both lost four games and finished unranked, so flip a coin.

1960s: The 1960 and the 1964 team each finished in the Top Ten at 7-2, finishing 2nd in the Conference. So flip a coin.

1950s: The 1958 team finished in the top ten at 6-1-2.

1940s: The 1941 team was 6-1-1, ranked #13.

1930s: The 1934 team was 7-1, with a Michigan win. Finished 2nd in the Big Ten.

1920s: 1921 was 5-2, with a 2nd place Big Ten finish.

1910s: The Chic Harley lead 1919 team ran the table, beat Michigan for the first time ever, but then dropped the turtle game at seasons end for a 6-1, 2nd place Big Ten finish.


1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2020, 09:08:22 PM »
I'm calling shenanigans on the 1984 Gators. They won the SEC. I get that someone said "but the cheating" but they were atop the standings and beat the other team atop the standings. Take your title.

They feel like 2015 OSU in the sense that they got kind of a consolation prize, even if one believes strongly they were that awesome of a team. (In this context, the 2016 Buckeyes are wild. They won a division title without a trip to the title game, got awarded a trip to the playoff, which meant the woodshed. It was pretty successful and didn't totally feel like it)

For UW, it probably has to be 2006. They went 12-1, but missed OSU (undefeated until the title game) and lost fairly comfortably to Michigan (No. 2 heading into the OSU game). They couldn't go to the BCS at 11-1 because there was a two-teams per conference limit. UW went to the Cap One Bowl and beat an Arkansas team that collected losses to good teams (Opened with beat down to 11-2 USC, won 10 in a row, lost to 11-2 LSU, 13-1 Florida and 12-1 UW).

The Badgers schedule was bad and they started slow, but they did win nine in a row. Wins of note were 9-4 PSU and 10-4 Arkansas.

UW had the No. 2 scoring D and top-5 in yards per play. The group was junior and sophomore heavy and just smothered folks. The offense had a senior QB with a totally new set of skill guys. A first-year TE blossomed for 900 yards and both receivers were second-tier quality in program history. The RB was very system, but he did have 1,569 yards and 15 TDs. 

For UW, they didn't have a lot of modern era teams that were good by squeezed out before the CCG, and with the west, you almost can't be very good and not go. The 2013 team is interesting, having lost that controversial one to ASU (with an advantage of 2 yards per play), put up a nice YPP edge but couldn't get No. 4 OSU and then had the passing game and defense fizzle down the stretch. South Carolina beat them after their WRs played out of their minds and Stave exploded his shoulder on a defender. That Badgers team had Melvin Gordon, James White, Jared Abbedaris, Jacob Pederson (with the best Joel Stave) with top-13 groups in points per drive on both sides of the ball.

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2020, 09:27:10 PM »
Here's a good one from the first team I liked. 

2004 Cal. 

Top 10 in scoring offense and defense. Second in the country in yards per play. Had a 2,000-yard back, and the backup was MarShawn Lynch, who averaged 8.8 a carry. At QB, Aaron Rodgers, who was fire the first half of the year, but tailed off (his receivers were college good). Defense was excellent until the bowl. 

The schedule was more balanced than good at the top. Still, No. 15 by college football reference. They held national champion USC to 4.1 yards per play, but three fumbles led to a 23-17 loss, the only one of the regular season. 

They were competing with Texas for the last BCS bowl spot (Rose Bowl), but Mack Brown politics the 'Horns in (their schedule was slightly worse). Cal was No. 4 in both the final two polls, but the computers hurt Cal and the votes are just close enough Bears sleepwalk into the bowl. They go up 14-7, allow 24 points in a row and can never get back in it. Sonny Cumbie threw for 520 yards in that game, which contributes to dropping Cal's yards per play defense from what would've been fourth nationally to 42nd. 

So they miss a conference title and a BCS slot and slip from No. 4 in the final polls with the bowl loss. 

(Two years later, Cal goes 9-3, gets Jeff Tedford's only conference title, one it shares with USC when the Trojans blow a national title game spot on the last game of the season. Cal is not all that good and lost 23-9 to USC, a game that was 9-9 at the end of the third quarter and probably still not all that competitive). 

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2020, 09:36:39 PM »
Oh, you spelled it wrong.
Yeah Musberger did like to really emphasize the A.J. in "A.J. Hawk"

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Re: Best team that didn't win anything important
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2020, 09:48:25 PM »
I’m guessing a lot of teams that were independent would qualify. 86 Miami, 87 FSU, 89 ND, etc.

For WVU outside of the 88 team it is probably the 06 team. 11-2 and top 10 but no conference hardware.  Lost to Louisville who won the conference and finished 4th in the country and had a weird, unexpected loss to USF late in the year that knocked them out of a potential BCS bid.

 

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