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Cincydawg

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Re: Better job?
« Reply #70 on: May 30, 2021, 05:54:35 AM »
We obviously have programs also having incredible runs, FSU and Miami come to mind, and then a relative collapse for whatever reason.  Ohio State is by far I think the program with the fewest bad years.  I don't know if history will repeat or not.  Bama and Clemson could be one bad hire away from mediocrity just as FSU and Miami were.

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« Reply #71 on: May 30, 2021, 09:34:00 AM »
every program is one bad hire away from mediocrity
including Ohio State
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« Reply #72 on: May 30, 2021, 10:30:02 AM »
I don't know, depending.  I think Ohio State can withstand a mediocre hire for a while more than Bama or Clemson.

I'm not convinced Smart is an elite level coach.
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« Reply #73 on: May 30, 2021, 10:46:31 AM »
those elite programs can withstand it better than the others, but no program is bullet proof if a coach screws up the culture
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« Reply #74 on: May 30, 2021, 10:54:07 AM »
My premise is "mediocre hire", not a disaster.  Yes, a coach can screw up the culture quickly and fail to recruit and that would be that quickly.

I think it takes 4-5-6 "mediocre" hires to really trash an elite program, not trash maybe, but bring back to normalcy, 9-4 seasons.
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« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2021, 10:59:53 AM »
agreed
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« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2021, 11:04:05 AM »
Is Day an elite coach?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  A program like that is somewhat on autopilot.  They recruit at an elite level because elite athletes want to play for them, same as for Bama, and Clemson is close to that I think.

What about Texas?  It was on autopilot for a while perhaps but errors in guidance have started to pile up.

If you are a true five star player today, your aim is to make money on Sunday, and I suspect there are maybe ten programs you will seriously consider.  Alabama appears to be at the top of that list right now.  The correlation between number of five stars and playoff appearances is pretty gnarly.
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« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2021, 01:42:43 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 30, 2021, 05:54:35 AM
We obviously have programs also having incredible runs, FSU and Miami come to mind, and then a relative collapse for whatever reason.  Ohio State is by far I think the program with the fewest bad years.  I don't know if history will repeat or not.  Bama and Clemson could be one bad hire away from mediocrity just as FSU and Miami were.


Even Mike Dubose and Mike Shula had 10 win seasons with Bama. You have to go all the way back to Whitworth in 1955-1957 to find complete mediocrity at Bama. Actually that was complete whatever is below mediocrity, or even lower. Bama couldn't score, much less win. Shutout eleven times in those three years. Have been shutout but eleven more times in the sixty three seasons since then.
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« Reply #78 on: May 30, 2021, 02:10:56 PM »
I think I could win ten at Bama, for a few years, IFF I could hire decent assistants.  It is impressive how fast they recovered from the sanctions.

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