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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2022, 08:16:36 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 15, 2022, 07:53:56 PM
it obviously takes talent to do something significant in college
This is the 2nd post conveying this message.  What is it for?  No one is saying it doesn't take talent.  
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2022, 08:18:20 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 15, 2022, 07:36:53 PM
I don't care about talent, I care about what they DO.  In college.  Why is this so difficult? 
it was in response to your post
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2022, 08:26:17 PM »
Where does it say talent doesn't matter?  Here, how about "I'm not worried about talent."?  Is that better?  Plus, if a guy runs for 1,500 yards, does it matter how talented he is?  Does it matter if he runs a 4.7 or 4.4 forty yard dash?

This discussion has gotten odd.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2022, 07:56:52 AM »
You know, every discussion where OAM weighs in seems to get "odd".  The ones where he doesn't tend not to.

I'm entitled to my opinion.  Simple as that.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2022, 08:38:54 AM »
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain


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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2022, 08:42:27 AM »
Sure, but it often is amusing.

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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2022, 12:09:34 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on December 15, 2022, 06:18:10 AM
I look at 2020 Bama and wonder if they got everybody's best effort that year because of COVID.  Yes, Bama had to endure the same issues as everybody else and should get credit for overcoming all that and dominating like they did. 

But ultimately there will always be an asterisk next to anything accomplished in 2020, and it should not be considered the equivalent of a championship in a normal season.  Bama never had to play in front of hostile crowds.  The playoff teams they faced may possibly have been over-rated.  Who knows if Notre Dame and OSU make the playoffs if they play their normal schedules. And even if OSU was one of the 4 best teams, I mean really how could have Ohio State been at its best with the limited  number of games they played that year. 

 How many teams did Bama play that had players sitting out due to COVID?  I honestly don't know,  but it makes me have doubts that I should trust Bama's resume.  So I am sorry, I would have trouble voting any team from 2020 as the best overall.
fwiw, i went back and looked (as best i could), and i don't think any team was materially affected by covid for bama. went to wiki 2020 bama season, and went to each teams wiki page to see if/when covid affected the team.
first, the bama/arky game was postponed by a month and tacked on at end of season due to arky having covid the week prior to facing bama. after the postponement, they played 2 other games prior to facing bama.
second, no other team bama faced had a game postponed prior to playing bama for covid affecting their team. a couple, i think, had a game rescheduled due to their opp having covid, but not the team that faced bama in the next week or 2.
third and final, someone mentioned osu having only 55 players for the cfp. i can't find any sources for that (didn't search hard, tbf). i have no reason to doubt it either, but i can't find a reason for it.
obviously my "research" could be lacking, but i do remember discussing with friends how it was amazing we didn't get hit with effects from covid like most teams' seasons did.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2022, 12:16:22 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on December 16, 2022, 12:09:34 PM
fwiw, i went back and looked (as best i could), and i don't think any team was materially affected by covid for bama. went to wiki 2020 bama season, and went to each teams wiki page to see if/when covid affected the team.
first, the bama/arky game was postponed by a month and tacked on at end of season due to arky having covid the week prior to facing bama. after the postponement, they played 2 other games prior to facing bama.
second, no other team bama faced had a game postponed prior to playing bama for covid affecting their team. a couple, i think, had a game rescheduled due to their opp having covid, but not the team that faced bama in the next week or 2.
third and final, someone mentioned osu having only 55 players for the cfp. i can't find any sources for that (didn't search hard, tbf). i have no reason to doubt it either, but i can't find a reason for it.
obviously my "research" could be lacking, but i do remember discussing with friends how it was amazing we didn't get hit with effects from covid like most teams' seasons did.
I'm sure Bama got hit with it, but they probably didn't do all of the silly asymptomatic testing that schools in the B1G did. Just a hunch.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2022, 12:19:58 PM »
i haven't voted yet. if i do, i'm sure i'll vote bama. because i'm a homer. but i also genuinely think that team is one of the greatest ever, and it's a real shame it's not ever going to get it's deserved recognition due to covid. fwiw, 2019 lsu is absolutely in that same best ever category.

final case i'll make for bama:

bama was 1 garbage time* td and 2 pt conversion in the seccg vs florida away from winning all games by 14 or greater. only 1 team in "modern" cfb history, to my knowledge, has ever done that. '95 'skers, generally considered the best ever team.

*garbage time may be a little harsh. it was at 2 min mark and made game a 1 score game. but still, was in death throes of the game.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2022, 12:24:18 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 16, 2022, 12:16:22 PM
I'm sure Bama got hit with it, but they probably didn't do all of the silly asymptomatic testing that schools in the B1G did. Just a hunch.
going from memory, but i think that hunch is likely bias and wrong. bama was testing fairly frequently. saban had to sit a game due to it, and almost had to sit another due to a false positive (had to do 3 consecutive days of negs to be allowed to coach). bama also had a pretty stringent isolation policy for the team. don't remember specifics, but do remember talking with friends about how it seemed almost harsh.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2022, 12:26:24 PM »
meant to add i won't begrudge anyone picking 2019 lsu. as i said, they're obviously and rightly in the best ever argument.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2022, 12:33:18 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 16, 2022, 07:56:52 AM
You know, every discussion where OAM weighs in seems to get "odd".  The ones where he doesn't tend not to.

I'm entitled to my opinion.  Simple as that.
Of course you are.  Why do you feel the need to state that???
This is the oddity to me.
I chime in with my opinion, usually providing support, and possibly disagreeing with someone.
And they act like I'm derailing the conversation.
As if providing support and making counter-points is bad or wrong.  
What???
It's called a back-and-forth.  Not many here seem to want to engage in such a thing.
It's unfortunate.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2022, 12:34:03 PM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on December 16, 2022, 12:26:24 PM
meant to add i won't begrudge anyone picking 2019 lsu. as i said, they're obviously and rightly in the best ever argument.
Same!
I didn't vote for them, but any of the 3 make sense to support.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2022, 01:00:39 PM »
Plenty of us discuss an issue and disagree amicably and sensibly.  It happens all the time in NEARLY every thread.  When it doesn't, there often is one specific commonality.
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