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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2022, 12:47:06 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 15, 2022, 12:40:07 PM
Who was suggesting they weren't excellent in 2019 while at LSU?
no one
the NFL excellent just verifies and/or shows just how excellent they were while at LSU

credibility
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2022, 12:54:45 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 15, 2022, 12:47:06 PM
no one
the NFL excellent just verifies and/or shows just how excellent they were while at LSU

credibility
When discussing college, I don't see what anything after college tells us, other than you're letting the future affect your thoughts about that present. 
So again, this has nothing to do with that.

60 TD passes and 6 INTs is plenty credible on its own.  
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2022, 12:59:47 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 15, 2022, 12:54:45 PM
When discussing college, I don't see what anything after college tells us, other than you're letting the future affect your thoughts about that present. 
So again, this has nothing to do with that.

60 TD passes and 6 INTs is plenty credible on its own. 
yeah it has to do with talent. obviously genius.

LOTS of college players put up great stats bc of the system and bc of the fact that it's college and not everyone you're playing against is actually good. See: Tebow, Tim. Wuerffel, Danny. Great college players. Obvious talent deficiencies. 

How good are you REALLY? How good are all these guys when they are playing the very best in the entire world?

Joe Burrow and that WR duo happen to be REALLY REALLY REALLY fking good. Like SIGNIFICANTLY better than any of the other guys they'll have had to face in this stupid theoretical you put us up to the task about bloviating about. :)
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2022, 01:00:21 PM »
fine

your the stats guy

if you don't think stats in college and stats accumulated later in the NFL can't be compared and aren't at least somewhat similar, especially with similar rules, and offensive systems, and formations.  That's up to you

Emmett Smith's NFL stats don't lend any credibility to his College stats?

there seems there might be a correlation to me
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2022, 03:07:18 PM »
I feel completely justified in considering an NFL career to assess someone's collegiate excellence.  If someone else doesn't, fine with me.

Consider someone like Terrell Davis, he did little in college, injuries, being in the dog house with UGA, etc., and then ... it suggests his coach in college may have missed his talent.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2022, 03:14:19 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 15, 2022, 03:07:18 PM
I feel completely justified in considering an NFL career to assess someone's collegiate excellence.  If someone else doesn't, fine with me.

Consider someone like Terrell Davis, he did little in college, injuries, being in the dog house with UGA, etc., and then ... it suggests his coach in college may have missed his talent.
this is basically how I feel as well. college coaches screw up player development and personnel decisions all the time.

college kids dominate other college kids in college all the time only to go the grown ass man league vs the best in the world and suck ass all the time.

Joe Burrow, JaMarr Chase, and Justin Jefferson as a trio not only flat out dominated college football at a level we hadn't seen before- they then went straight to the NFL and basically were the very best at their positions almost immediately. That just points to how scary good they truly are and how much better they are than everyone else they would be facing in this theoretical game. 
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2022, 03:25:23 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on December 15, 2022, 08:29:42 AM
I guess you could maybe argue that 2014 Ohio St had the greatest post-season run of any team in the playoffs,  but it's hard to argue they had the greatest season ever from start to finish.
Agreed, for the whole season they aren't in this conversation but those last three games were amazing.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2022, 03:26:31 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 15, 2022, 03:25:23 PM
Agreed, for the whole season they aren't in this conversation but those last three games were amazing.
2015 team that didn't make it to the playoff was a better team imo. 
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2022, 03:26:34 PM »
Why is this so complicated?

There are great football players, like Burrow for example, who excelled in College and in the NFL. 

There are great NFL players, who did ok but nothing special in college. 

And their are great College players who dont do shit in the league- Tebow for example.  
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2022, 03:29:11 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 15, 2022, 03:26:34 PM
Why is this so complicated?

There are great football players, like Burrow for example, who excelled in College and in the NFL.

There are great NFL players, who did ok but nothing special in college.

And their are great College players who dont do shit in the league- Tebow for example. 
Agreed, but when a guy is otherworldly on both levels- that holds more weight with me when talking about college best of discussions. 

None of these other college football playoff teams are stopping Burrow & those WR's from ripping them to shreds in a college football game on a neutral site with a month to prep. Burrow's 2019 season was the best QB'ing we've ever seen in cfb period.
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2022, 03:32:15 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 15, 2022, 03:29:11 PM
Agreed, but when a guy is otherworldly on both levels- that holds more weight with me when talking about college best of discussions.

None of these other college football playoff teams are stopping Burrow & those WR's from ripping them to shreds in a college football game on a neutral site with a month to prep. Burrow's 2019 season was the best QB'ing we've ever seen in cfb period.
Can’t disagree.  But I would still think that even if Burrow didn’t even go to the NFL. 

He decimated Clemson D- that’s for sure.  But- so did Fields the following year.  
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2022, 07:36:53 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 15, 2022, 12:59:47 PM
yeah it has to do with talent. obviously genius.

LOTS of college players put up great stats bc of the system and bc of the fact that it's college and not everyone you're playing against is actually good. See: Tebow, Tim. Wuerffel, Danny. Great college players. Obvious talent deficiencies.

How good are you REALLY? How good are all these guys when they are playing the very best in the entire world?

Joe Burrow and that WR duo happen to be REALLY REALLY REALLY fking good. Like SIGNIFICANTLY better than any of the other guys they'll have had to face in this stupid theoretical you put us up to the task about bloviating about. :)
I don't care about talent, I care about what they DO.  In college.  Why is this so difficult?  
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2022, 07:43:44 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 15, 2022, 01:00:21 PM
fine

your the stats guy

if you don't think stats in college and stats accumulated later in the NFL can't be compared and aren't at least somewhat similar, especially with similar rules, and offensive systems, and formations.  That's up to you

Emmett Smith's NFL stats don't lend any credibility to his College stats?

there seems there might be a correlation to me
If I'm discussing Emmitt's Florida play, what he did in the NFL is irrelevant.  The assertion or knowledge or whatever that his being the NFL's all-time leading rusher doesn't change his college production.  He's still Florida's all-time single-season rushing leader.  I think his FR record of getting to 1,000 yards in his 7th game has been broken by someone out there.  The fact his QBs at Florida were crap salad and that the Gators needed every one of his 316 yards vs New Mexico matter more than his great OL in Dallas or that his QB in the pros was a #1 overall pick. 
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This will always be a mystery to me that I get pushback on this point.  The NFL is such a crap shoot.  Great players bust all the time, due to poor coaching, play-calling, poor OL play or poor QB play or a bad franchise, etc.  I don't need to know anything that happened from the moment after a player's final college game in order to rate hm or rank him or any of it, as it pertains to college football.
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Peyton Manning was a 1st-ballot HOF NFL QB.  But he never beat Florida. 
Terrell Davis might have a 2,000 yard season in the NFL, but he never earned a 160-carry season at UGA.
What's the point of that crap?  What does Denver's OL blocking scheme reveal?  That a guy who couldn't hit 5 yards per carry as a starting RB in college had some magical, hidden talent?  WTF?
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Re: Best Team from Playoff Era
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2022, 07:53:56 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 15, 2022, 07:36:53 PM
I don't care about talent, I care about what they DO.  In college.  Why is this so difficult? 
it obviously takes talent to do something significant in college
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