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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2020, 09:27:13 AM »
Quote from: fezzador on April 14, 2020, 08:52:06 AM

2002 - USC - a pair of early losses effectively knocked them out of the MNC picture, but by late November they were looking damn near unbeatable. 

So 2002 is "old timey" now? 
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2020, 09:37:23 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on April 15, 2020, 09:27:13 AM
So 2002 is "old timey" now?
Well, Carson Palmer's in his 40s now...
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2020, 09:52:02 AM »
Quote from: fezzador on April 15, 2020, 09:37:23 AM
Well, Carson Palmer's in his 40s now...
So is Tom Brady
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2020, 09:53:35 AM »
can we at least use the year 2000 as the cutoff? 
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2020, 03:52:34 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on April 15, 2020, 09:27:13 AM
So 2002 is "old timey" now?
Well I went to do this thinking I'd pick 5 teams from the past 50 years or so, but it quickly became obvious there were a lot more that made sense to be included.  
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2020, 03:54:24 PM »
I' surprised to see '94 Penn State leading (in a tie).  I thought '71 OU or Other would run away with it.  And there was a reason the '87 Fiesta Bowl was such a big upset...
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2020, 08:44:10 PM »
well, 94 PSU was undefeated, untied, and had a record breaking offense

and they were in the correct conference
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2020, 10:33:35 PM »
I thought yous guys respected defense.  Great offense - 2 good WRs, a short-range threat at TE, a truly great RB and a QB to distribute the ball.  But 70th in total defense that year.
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Luckily for them, they didn't play any big-boy defenses in 1994.  The best defense they faced was Illinois.  The Illini weren't really a threat, yet PSU only won by 4.  Maybe that outcome was less of a fluke and more of a legit challenge.  Ohio State had the next-best defense they faced, and their 63 points there was a genuinely elite performance.  The rest of the Big Ten had average-to-crappy defenses.
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2020, 10:40:04 PM »
Everyone should look at this - all the team statistics from the NCAA website for 1994.  It's PDFs of that old-school printout paper with the green and white rows, all slanted and sloppy.  
The NCAA is one lazy MFer.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/archive/fbs/1994team.pdf
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2020, 11:12:36 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 15, 2020, 10:33:35 PM
I thought yous guys respected defense.  Great offense - 2 good WRs, a short-range threat at TE, a truly great RB and a QB to distribute the ball.  But 70th in total defense that year.
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Luckily for them, they didn't play any big-boy defenses in 1994.  The best defense they faced was Illinois.  The Illini weren't really a threat, yet PSU only won by 4.  Maybe that outcome was less of a fluke and more of a legit challenge.  Ohio State had the next-best defense they faced, and their 63 points there was a genuinely elite performance.  The rest of the Big Ten had average-to-crappy defenses.
your other quote regarding 94 PSU...........................


Now, I don't know what, if anything, the coaches had against Penn State, but for that team to not get a share of the NC was odd, based on the precedent. 
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perhaps the coaches voting in the 1994 final poll respected defense????
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2020, 11:22:06 PM »
That'd be great....if they had shown that behavior previously.  
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2020, 11:29:24 PM »
or since then?
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2020, 01:08:33 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 15, 2020, 10:40:04 PM
Everyone should look at this - all the team statistics from the NCAA website for 1994.  It's PDFs of that old-school printout paper with the green and white rows, all slanted and sloppy. 
The NCAA is one lazy MFer.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/archive/fbs/1994team.pdf
Wow.

That's truly pathetic.
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Re: Best Non-National Champ (Old-Timey Edition)
« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2020, 12:04:14 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 15, 2020, 10:40:04 PM
Everyone should look at this - all the team statistics from the NCAA website for 1994.  It's PDFs of that old-school printout paper with the green and white rows, all slanted and sloppy. 
The NCAA is one lazy MFer.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/archive/fbs/1994team.pdf

Dayum! Bama was 53rd in Rushing Offense and 75th in Passing Offense and was 11-1-0. Lol. I believe Stallings' standard instructions to the OC was. "Don't do anything to lose the game. My defense will win it."
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