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Re: Best #21
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2018, 02:42:21 PM »
This one is easy.

The damage Sanders would have done in the current game is almost unfathomable.

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Re: Best #21
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2018, 06:50:01 PM »

I sure wish either Brees or Orton had a Calvin Johnson to throw the ball to, though... For all that could be said about "basketball on grass" being a pass-happy offense, Tiller never really seemed to bring in the class of WR talent that you thought would be expected given that his system showcased the WRs so much.

I think these 'offensive genius' coaches don't worry about the talent of their WRs too much.  They're so confident that if they can get their QB to do what they want, anyone could be running the routes and the system would work.  Spurrier was kind of like that.  Before Hilliard and Anthony, Florida's best receivers in Spurrier's first 4 years were a TE, a 5'8" guy, and a white kid that probably ran a 4.8 forty.  
The better the passing system, the less talented the working parts are required to be.
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Re: Best #21
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2018, 03:10:18 PM »
I think these 'offensive genius' coaches don't worry about the talent of their WRs too much.  They're so confident that if they can get their QB to do what they want, anyone could be running the routes and the system would work.  Spurrier was kind of like that.  Before Hilliard and Anthony, Florida's best receivers in Spurrier's first 4 years were a TE, a 5'8" guy, and a white kid that probably ran a 4.8 forty.  
The better the passing system, the less talented the working parts are required to be.
I agree that is true, but at the same time, you put Calvin Johnson on a Tiller- or Spurrier-coached team, and I'll bet the numbers get even better.
I've just never figured it out. It would be one thing to say that Purdue just can't recruit that level of talent, but I can see that Brohm appears to be getting a higher quality of WR recruit in year 2 of his recruiting than Tiller got until late in his process. 

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Re: Best #21
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2018, 03:17:53 PM »
voted Barry, not a tough decision

my favorite Husker I-back wore #21 - kid from Iowa

career numbers don't put him on this list, but he was obviously a great back
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Re: Best #21
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2018, 10:29:02 AM »

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Re: Best #21
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2018, 10:42:28 AM »
The clear trend today with RBs is to limit them to around 20 carries per game, with a few exceptions.  With 20 touches and 7 ypg, well, you do the math, a great game but not beyond the pale.

The "Pale" interesting, perhaps, is the area around Dublin, Ireland.

Is it more impressive to have 20 carries and 7 ypc or 35 carries and 4 ypc?  It depends.

What Sanders did in the League is tough to ignore.  He did not exactly have an all Pro line up there.


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Re: Best #21
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2018, 10:44:30 AM »
Great stat, ELA.  And the 2017 opponents were all P5 teams save the first game.


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Re: Best #21
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2018, 10:58:55 AM »
The clear trend today with RBs is to limit them to around 20 carries per game, with a few exceptions.  With 20 touches and 7 ypg, well, you do the math, a great game but not beyond the pale.

The "Pale" interesting, perhaps, is the area around Dublin, Ireland.

Is it more impressive to have 20 carries and 7 ypc or 35 carries and 4 ypc?  It depends.

What Sanders did in the League is tough to ignore.  He did not exactly have an all Pro line up there.


Barry did have 35 carries against a pretty good Nebraska defense that season, but averaged 5.4
I'd guess most games he had fewer carries and more yards.
Causes me to wonder how Penn State would have finished last season if Saquon Barkley would have doubled his rushing attempts from 16 per game to 32?
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Re: Best #21
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2018, 11:22:26 AM »
Yeah, but the trend today is to utilize RBs much less than back then.  Herschel averaged 35 carries per game in 1981.

That would not happen today except in rare circumstance.


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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2018, 11:52:36 AM »
Barry did have 35 carries against a pretty good Nebraska defense that season, but averaged 5.4
I'd guess most games he had fewer carries and more yards.
Causes me to wonder how Penn State would have finished last season if Saquon Barkley would have doubled his rushing attempts from 16 per game to 32?
Double his rushing attempts?  You increase his carries by that much, he probably would have been just about the worst back in the Big Ten, if not the nation.  Temple wouldn't even have him at that point.

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Re: Best #21
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2018, 11:57:47 AM »
Yeah, but the trend today is to utilize RBs much less than back then.  Herschel averaged 35 carries per game in 1981.

That would not happen today except in rare circumstance.


I understand today's trend.  I'm not saying it's wrong.
What I'm saying is that it would be interesting to know what today's great backs such as Barkley would do given yesterday's carries. and if their teams would be anymore successful.
Obviously Herschel and Barry held up the entire season.  Today's backs have better nutrition and training and health monitoring than was available back in the 80s. 
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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2018, 11:59:39 AM »
Double his rushing attempts?  You increase his carries by that much, he probably would have been just about the worst back in the Big Ten, if not the nation.  Temple wouldn't even have him at that point.
you don't believe in OrangeAfro's silly opinion that any RB's average will go down as number of carries goes up?
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Re: Best #21
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2018, 12:05:18 PM »
you don't believe in OrangeAfro's silly opinion that any RB's average will go down as number of carries goes up?
I think if you have some fluky high or low ypc on a very small number of carries, then obviously over time it will tend to trend towards the middle.  But given a large enough sample size, I would think you'd continue to produce at that level.

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Re: Best #21
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2018, 12:21:00 PM »
so, you feel Barkley wouldn't have held up physically or Penn St's offense simply wasn't built with the O-line and scheme to be successful running the ball 30 times a game?
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