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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2019, 10:25:28 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 15, 2019, 07:55:25 AM
Penn State would have a hard time dismissing a HC who has a better record vs tOSU than anyone not named Dantonio.
Let's be clear about what I've said: I never predicted Franklin would be fired today, after this year, or next year. Instead, I'm predicting that JF's seasons with JoMo are bad predictors of JF's future seasons. Right now his program looks closer to an average of the other years.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2019, 10:27:40 AM »
There's also this:

Franklin versus MSU: 1-4
Franklin versus Michigan: 1-4

And both those plus the OSU series would have zero total PSU wins without Moorhead.

My prediction is that PSU won't get better in these games and this will cost Franklin his job ... years from now.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2019, 10:35:09 AM »
What JH's resume w/o QB transfers? - this is fun.Still 1-4 but with the Caveat of a Conference Championship,but I repeat my self
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2019, 10:55:49 AM »
Again:

(1) there's a much better thread for Michigan stuff than this

(2) needing a stream of suitable transfers and always getting them is not the same as needing a stream of suitable coordinators and only ever getting one ... who has since left.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2019, 12:23:44 PM »
According to you,both are a necessary means to an ends under said circumstance.Left out about 6 sunday starters on the offensive side of the ball left also.No this thread's fine it's where the froth was wrought :040:
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2019, 01:24:00 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 15, 2019, 10:01:06 AM
Isn't that my message so far? I said that Franklin isn't on the hot seat -- of course then I go one step further to say he'll eventually progress to the hot seat with this OC ... but still.
Well, maybe, but if the only issue is the coordinator, not too hard to fire one and hire another.  Rahme was basically his guy who kind of deafaulted to after Moorhead left, but Moorhead was an inspired hire, going down to Fordham.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2019, 01:26:49 PM »
Yes. That's my stated condition. "Unless he finds another JoMo ..." Maybe that was likely the first time or maybe it was unlikely. Maybe Franklin can do it a second time and maybe he can't.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2019, 12:25:54 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 15, 2019, 01:26:49 PM
Yes. That's my stated condition. "Unless he finds another JoMo ..." Maybe that was likely the first time or maybe it was unlikely. Maybe Franklin can do it a second time and maybe he can't.
A few thoughts on this:

1.  Have you looked at how many quality assistant coaches James Franklin has had?  Gattis, for one.  It is no fluke he found JoeMo, that's what he does.

2.  IMO, Franklin has overachieved or met expectations every year.  Granted, there have been a couple of heart breaking losses to Ohio State and MSU in there, but there have also been a couple of games that PSU won that could have gone either way. 

3.  The only possible exception to #2 was last year.  However, the big underachieving unit last season was the wide receivers.  Franklin responded by hiring a great WR coach in the off season.  This year the wide receivers should be a strength.  If there is a problem, Franklin addresses it.

You keep trying to draw comparisons between Harbaugh and Franklin, but they are different style coaches.  Franklin is a CEO type coach, a player's coach, and great with the media.  Harbaugh is none of those things.  Harbaugh is an X's and O's guy, and a no-nonsense coach.  About the only thing they do similar are the unconventional methods they use to get an advantage.  Did you know that PSU is going to be on an HBO "hard knocks" style program?  Sound familiar? 
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2019, 02:50:06 PM »
(a) Franklin has made many good hires but the majority of his PSU OC hires have been sub-JoMo, which isn't good enough. It's common with helmet schools for "very many nice things" to still be less than what's necessary.

(b) I'd say Franklin's 2-8 record versus MSU and Michigan is a problem that he doesn't seem to be correcting.

(c) I don't mean to draw Harbaugh comparisons (except in the head to head record) and have continuously tried to pry that part of the conversation to another thread.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2019, 06:03:29 PM »


Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 16, 2019, 02:50:06 PM
(a) Franklin has made many good hires but the majority of his PSU OC hires have been sub-JoMo, which isn't good enough. It's common with helmet schools for "very many nice things" to still be less than what's necessary.The Head Coach is the CEO,and you seem bark at the fact he hired a good coach,signed good players and implemented both to win the BIG.The fact seems lost on you that although Franklin hasn't got back there in 2 years,Harbaugh's never been there in 4


(b) I'd say Franklin's 2-8 record versus MSU and Michigan is a problem that he doesn't seem to be correcting.Physician heal thyself - I'd say Harbaugh going 1-7 the last two games to end the season is worse or 2-6 vs OSU/MSU not as telling but should be your focus


(c) I don't mean to draw Harbaugh comparisons (except in the head to head record) and have continuously tried to pry that part of the conversation to another thread.Of course you wouldn't because in light of it your silly assertations they swirl the drain.You obviously don't recall the "Christ coming to cleanse the Temple"  mindest when JH landed in AA.They didn't pony up 7-8-9 mil per so peeps could pop off citing a better record than Franklin and 10-3 seasons.OHH,QB whisperer they said look what he did with Andrew Luck/Alex Smith.Yet 4 years in and his starting QB's of note were transferes in '15,'18 and now seems to escape your omnipotent ogling.Your attacks on Franklin don't pass the say-it-out-loud Test.Say your posts out loud and see how they sound.


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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2019, 06:53:28 PM »
nubbz:

1) that's a scary amount of large, red font

2) BBTZ created this thread to discuss PSU and Franklin. Try not to focus so much on coaches and teams that aren't Franklin or PSU. I can tell you want to talk about Harbaugh. So do I. It'll be fun! But it doesn't belong here and is distracting from the conversation BBTZ and I are having. BBTZ just accused the thread of having too many Harbaugh comparisons. Can we please stay on topic? That's a better use of our time.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2019, 07:09:13 PM »
I'm beginning to think you're stirring up a Fire Franklin Frenzy in a last ditch effort to shanghai PSU recruits.I agree with BBTS if Frankilin's seat is getting warm Booger's in danger of simultaneous combustion
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2019, 07:24:17 PM »
You think that I have that power -- to type things to ~20 friends at cfb51 and have that affect the national recruiting landscape? This just isn't that influential of a message board, and I don't think Michigan and OSU are overly worried about PSU's recruiting.

Also, I never said Franklin is on the hot seat now. I've even said the opposite. What I have said is that, assuming he wants to retire in State College, he's not on track and isn't showing signs of getting on track.
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Re: BBT's Penn State Preview
« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2019, 07:31:09 PM »
And yet he's still reached higher heights and beat the defending CC .BBTS didn't start the thread for the reasons you responded,certainly not to beat Franklin's  rep like a dusty rug.Nor did he remotely hint that he agreed with the one sided yammering.
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