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Topic: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season

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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2025, 10:55:09 PM »
I'm not gonna cross my fingers
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2025, 11:29:25 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 24, 2025, 07:04:22 PM
weird how an upset in all three games results in an OSU-Michigan rematch.
I wonder if such a thing would lead to, um, "discussions", about future scheduling.

A lot of SEC teams play OOC rivals the last weekend which prevents this from occuring (some do play rivals in conference of course).

Probably not.
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2025, 11:35:13 AM »
folks often worry about these unlikely rematches

they are so unlikely that they rarely happen

it's so derned rare that nothing is ever done about it
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2025, 11:35:39 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 25, 2025, 11:29:25 AM
I wonder if such a thing would lead to, um, "discussions", about future scheduling.

A lot of SEC teams play OOC rivals the last weekend which prevents this from occuring (some do play rivals in conference of course).

Probably not.
As a general matter, I'm not a fan of rematches and I think that it is a LOT more palatable if the two games are separated by most of the season.  Ie, Ohio State and Oregon playing a rematch last year wasn't too bad because the games were on October 12 and January 1.  The nearly three months between the two games gave enough time for the two teams to evolve.  If Ohio State and Michigan rematch this year or any year in the current format it is going to be two games seven days apart and to me, what is the point?  
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2025, 11:39:14 AM »
I'm obviously not worried, just pondering.  Rematches historically have been separated by weeks of a season, I don't know of any that were back to back, maybe Florida-FSU?

The history of The Game suggests to me it won't be changed no matter.  In rematches, the most frequent outcome if winning both, something like 60% of the time, as I recall.  And in this case, and many, it would be on a "neutral site".
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2025, 11:43:34 AM »
Folks like to fret about this rematch, but you rarely hear any concern about the possibility of an Alabama-Auburn rematch a week later. 
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2025, 11:45:37 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 25, 2025, 11:43:34 AM
Folks like to fret about this rematch, but you rarely hear any concern about the possibility of an Alabama-Auburn rematch a week later.
If it was to happen there would be fretting I suspect.  They were both in the same division back in the day, so it hasn't been a possibility until lately, which is true for the B1G as well.

I tend to prefer divisions even though it can mean a better team is left out.
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2025, 11:55:12 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 25, 2025, 11:35:39 AM
As a general matter, I'm not a fan of rematches and I think that it is a LOT more palatable if the two games are separated by most of the season.  Ie, Ohio State and Oregon playing a rematch last year wasn't too bad because the games were on October 12 and January 1.  The nearly three months between the two games gave enough time for the two teams to evolve.  If Ohio State and Michigan rematch this year or any year in the current format it is going to be two games seven days apart and to me, what is the point? 
to win the game - either or both

I'm not a fan of rematches but I don't mind them, especially if they are good teams
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2025, 11:56:57 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 25, 2025, 11:35:13 AM
folks often worry about these unlikely rematches

they are so unlikely that they rarely happen

it's so derned rare that nothing is ever done about it
This is a good point.  If we had this format but back in the 1970s with a ten-team Big Ten and Ohio State and Michigan clearly being the 'big two' then it would happen almost every year.  Seriously, from 1968-:
  • 1968 rematch:  tOSU was 7-0, M 6-1 next best was PU at 5-2
  • 1969 rematch:  tied at 6-1, next best was PU at 5-2
  • 1970 depends on tiebreakers:  tOSU was outright champ at 7-0.  M and NU tied for second at 6-1 (both lost to tOSU).  Michigan won all three of their OOC games while Northwestern lost all three of theirs.  
  • 1971 NO REMATCH:  Michigan was outright champ at 8-0.  NU was second at 6-3.  Ohio State was in a three-way tie for third at 5-3.  
  • 1972 rematch:  tOSU and M tied for the championship at 7-1.  PU was next at 6-2.  
  • 1973 rematch:  tOSU and M tied for the championship at 7-0-1.  MN was next at 6-2.  
  • 1974 rematch:  tOSU and M tied for the championship at 7-1.  MSU was next at 6-1-1.  
  • 1975 rematch:  tOSU was outright champ at 8-0, M was second at 7-1.  Next best was a three-way tie between MSU, IL, and PU at 4-4.  
  • 1976 rematch:  tOSU and M tied at 7-1, next best was a a four-way tie between MN, IL, IU, and PU at 4-4.  
  • 1977 rematch:  tOSU and M tied at 7-1, next best was MSU at 6-1-1.  
  • 1978 NO REMATCH:  M  and MSU tied for the championship at 7-1.  PU was next at 6-1-1 with tOSU 1/2 game behind the Boilermakers.  
  • 1979 NO REMATCH:  tOSU was outright champ at 8-0, next best was PU at 7-1 with M a game behind the Boilermakers.  
  • 1980 depends on tiebreakers:  M was outright champ at 8-0 with PU and tOSU tied for second at 7-1 (both lost to M).  FWIW, PU lost 26-0 in Ann Arbor while tOSU lost 9-3 at home.  
  • 1981 NO REMATCH:  Ohio State and Iowa tied for the championship at 6-2 with Michigan, Illinois, and Wisconsin 1/2 game back at 6-3.  
  • 1982 rematch:  Michigan was outright champ at 8-1 with Ohio State 1/2 game back at 7-1 and Iowa next a game behind tOSU.  
  • 1983 NO REMATCH:  Illinois was outright champ at 9-0 then M at 8-1 (lost to IL) then Iowa at 7-2 (lost to IL and M), then tOSU at 6-3 (lost to IL, M, and IA) then Wisconsin at 5-4 (lost to IL, M, IA, tOSU).  
In the 10 years from 1968-1977 the current structure would have resulted in eight or nine rematches of The Game exactly one week later.  


In today's 18-team mega-conference the chances of it actually happening are a lot smaller so it isn't as big of a concern.  
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2025, 11:58:03 AM »
CFPwise, if there were a rematch, and Michigan won both, would they get a top four slotting?

All sorts of possibilities abound with some real mayhem for the Committee.

Imagine UGA, currently at 4 sitting pretty, gets into the SEC CG and loses.  
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2025, 11:59:45 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 25, 2025, 11:39:14 AM
I'm obviously not worried, just pondering.  Rematches historically have been separated by weeks of a season, I don't know of any that were back to back, maybe Florida-FSU?

The history of The Game suggests to me it won't be changed no matter.  In rematches, the most frequent outcome if winning both, something like 60% of the time, as I recall.  And in this case, and many, it would be on a "neutral site".
 @OrangeAfroMan would be a better source than me but:
I know there were a couple UF/FSU bowl game rematches back in the 1990s including when UF won their first NC in 1996 and I *THINK* those were back-to-back for FSU but not UF because UF had the SECCG in between.  

Also, even though they were back-to-back for FSU there was still over a month of time elapsed in between.  That isn't quite the same situation as this would be with two teams playing each other seven days apart.  
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2025, 12:03:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 25, 2025, 11:58:03 AM
CFPwise, if there were a rematch, and Michigan won both, would they get a top four slotting?

All sorts of possibilities abound with some real mayhem for the Committee.

Imagine UGA, currently at 4 sitting pretty, gets into the SEC CG and loses. 
First, the chances of a rematch THIS year are pretty remote.  It only happens if the underdogs win all three relevant games (IU/PU, tOSU/M, Ore/UDub).  

So if Michigan won both here would be the B1G CFP contenders sorted by record:
  • 11-1 Indiana (lost to PU)
  • 11-2 Michigan (lost to OU and USC)
  • 10-2 Ohio State (lost to M2x)
  • 10-2 Oregon (lost to IU and UDub)
I think the best chance for a top-4 spot would be IU but I wonder how much the committee would drop them for losing to a terrible team.  
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2025, 12:49:32 PM »
PU isn't playing terribly lately
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Re: B1GCG Race heading into the last weekend of the regular season
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2025, 12:50:54 PM »
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