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medinabuckeye1

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B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« on: November 30, 2020, 02:29:21 PM »
Here is a link to the B1G tiebreakers.  

Here is the language in that link concerning number of games played:
A team must play at least six games to be considered for participation in the championship game. However, if the average number of conference games played by all teams falls below six, with the average rounded up/down at .50 (i.e. 6.50 or greater would round up to 7, 6.49 or less would round down to 6), then teams must play no less than two fewer conference games than the average number of conference games played by all teams (i.e. four games played if the conference average is six) to be considered.

Referring to the language above, I think it means that if the actual (not rounded) average drops below 6.00, THEN the "no less than two fewer" language is invoked, but I could be wrong.  Question for the lawyers on here ( @ELA , @MaximumSam , @MarqHusker , others)?

How do you read that?  

As I see it, there are three plausible interpretations (decreasing order of what I think is correct):

  • The "no less than two fewer" language is invoked once the average number of games played by B1G teams is <6.00.  
  • The "no less than two fewer" language is invoked once the rounded average number of games played by B1G teams falls below six (ie, the actual average has to fall below 6.50).  
  • The "no less than two fewer" language is invoked once the rounded average number of games played by B1G teams falls to six (ie, the actual average has to fall below 5.50).  


medinabuckeye1

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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2020, 02:37:07 PM »
Here is where we are:


This assumes that the NU/MN game will remain cancelled and not be replaced (replacement wouldn't really matter anyway because it would mean that another game got cancelled. 

Possible triggers are at:


  • <6.50 = <91 games. 
  • <6 = <84 games
  • <5.5 = <77 games

The number of games has to be an even number (because each game is played by two teams) and we are already at 72. 
  • Three more games played would get us to 78 (because each counts for each team) and over the 5.5 game threshold. 
  • Six more games played would get us to 84 (again, each counts double) and equal to an average of exactly 6. 
  • Ten more games played would get us to 92 (again, each counts double) and over the 6.5 threshold. 

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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2020, 02:38:51 PM »
You are probably right, but I think the language should be changed so that all you need is to be within 2 games of the average.

So for example, if the average drops to 7.0 games, then all you need is 5 games total.  This seems more fair than needing the average to drop to 6 before you can qualify with 5 total games.

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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2020, 02:48:04 PM »
The wording here seems really strange to me.  If you take my #1 interpretation above, what it means is:

  • Average of 6.00 games played per team, minimum is six.  
  • Average of 5.86 games played per team, minimum is four.  

There isn't anything between there.  If our 14 teams play a total of 42 games that would count as 84 games played and 84/14=6.00.  If they play 41 games that would count as 82 games played and 82/14=5.86.  

So the way I am reading that, the minimum required will either be:
  • 6 - if at least six more games are played bringing the total to 42 games, 84 "games played".  Because the average would be >5.5 which rounds up to six.  
  • 4 - if at least three three more games are played bringing the total to 39 games, 78 "games played" but not more than five more.  Because the average would be between 5.5 and 6.0 which rounds up to 6 and two fewer is 4.  
  • 3 - if two or fewer more games are played leaving the total below 38 games, 76 "games played".  Because the average would be between 5.14 and 5.43 which rounds down to five and two fewer is 3.  

The way I read that, there is no situation in which the minimum number for eligibility would be five.  It is either six, four, or three.  That doesn't seem right.  

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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2020, 02:51:50 PM »
You are probably right, but I think the language should be changed so that all you need is to be within 2 games of the average.

So for example, if the average drops to 7.0 games, then all you need is 5 games total.  This seems more fair than needing the average to drop to 6 before you can qualify with 5 total games.
The average already can't be more than seven, see above.  If no more games are cancelled then it will be:
  • 8 games:  IU, M, RU, PSU, IA
  • 7 games:  MSU, NU, PU, IL, UNL
  • 6 games:  tOSU, UMD, MN
  • 5 games:  UW

(8*5+7*5+6*6+5)/14 = 7.00

So if we read it that way, five games would already be enough to qualify.  

I agree with you.  

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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2020, 09:05:39 PM »
"Rules were made to be broken."

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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2020, 09:55:00 AM »
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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2020, 09:09:30 PM »
That is very confusing and I'm not sure

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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2020, 09:51:23 PM »
During Tuesday night’s reveal of the College Football Playoff Top 25 on ESPN, analyst Kirk Herbstreit stirred up some controversy as it pertains to next week’s matchup between Michigan and Ohio State. He suggested the Wolverines may use COVID-19 as an excuse to cancel the game and keep the Buckeyes out of the Big Ten title game.

When discussing potential playoff scenarios for the No. 4 Buckeyes, Herbstreit noted that Michigan could “wave the white flag” and decide not to play Ohio State. Under current Big Ten policy, that would mean the Buckeyes would play five games at most and eliminate them from conference title game contention.

Shortly after the show, Herbstreit posted a video to Twitter in which he immediately apologized to Michigan, head coach Jim Harbaugh, and the players.
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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2020, 11:05:16 PM »
I doubt Michigan would cancel the Ohio State game due to COVID unless they have an outbreak. Reportedly they do have an outbreak, and canceled practice on Monday and Tuesday. Sounds to me like they are attempting to control it and play this Saturday, if possible. Once it gets started it is very difficult to stop when there are groups of people around someone who is positive.

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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2020, 11:34:31 PM »
I doubt Michigan would cancel the Ohio State game due to COVID unless they have an outbreak. Reportedly they do have an outbreak, and canceled practice on Monday and Tuesday. Sounds to me like they are attempting to control it and play this Saturday, if possible. Once it gets started it is very difficult to stop when there are groups of people around someone who is positive.
I have a hard time believing any team could fake a COVID outbreak.  You have 100+ players, plus coaches, medical staff, student assistants.  You are saying that many people, the majority of which are college students, can keep that quiet?  No way

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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2020, 12:04:26 AM »
I have a hard time believing any team could fake a COVID outbreak.  You have 100+ players, plus coaches, medical staff, student assistants.  You are saying that many people, the majority of which are college students, can keep that quiet?  No way
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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2020, 05:53:28 AM »
During Tuesday night’s reveal of the College Football Playoff Top 25 on ESPN, analyst Kirk Herbstreit stirred up some controversy as it pertains to next week’s matchup between Michigan and Ohio State. He suggested the Wolverines may use COVID-19 as an excuse to cancel the game and keep the Buckeyes out of the Big Ten title game.

When discussing potential playoff scenarios for the No. 4 Buckeyes, Herbstreit noted that Michigan could “wave the white flag” and decide not to play Ohio State. Under current Big Ten policy, that would mean the Buckeyes would play five games at most and eliminate them from conference title game contention.

Shortly after the show, Herbstreit posted a video to Twitter in which he immediately apologized to Michigan, head coach Jim Harbaugh, and the players.

I am glad that he apologized. He should never have said such a classless thing. You can’t question a football teams level of competitiveness or that of a football coach and it was inappropriate for him to say something so stupid
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Re: B1GCG Eligibility threshold
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2020, 08:25:33 AM »
I am glad that he apologized. He should never have said such a classless thing. You can’t question a football teams level of competitiveness or that of a football coach and it was inappropriate for him to say something so stupid
Kirk gets a little full of himself and he's better than marginal, but hardly Gowdy,Schenkel,Jackson,Fleming,Enberg much better than Gary Danielson or a Jesse Palmer though
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