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Topic: B1G West, 2020

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TyphonInc

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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2019, 03:45:06 PM »
I am not a fan of Friday night games, with one exception; I am okay with a Black Friday game. Nebraskans have trained us well.
I HATE Friday night games. (With the exception of Black Friday, since there is no high school games being played then.)
I have missed 1, and exactly 1 Buckeye game in the last 26 years. It was this years Friday game in Evanston. *shudders*

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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2019, 05:54:26 PM »
Pelini was fired for not winning championships

It seemed that he had reached his peak

if Bo would have won 8 or 9 games a season with class and handled the press and the fans and the politics with class, perhaps he would still be there.  I doubt it.

When a coach isn't winning enough, we look for things we don't like to justify his firing.

Everything becomes questionable, sideline demeanor, recruiting, press relations, everything
Riley is a good coach, just WAY too soft.

no discipline, kids running the program
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Riley wasn't hired to be the greatest coach for the next 2 decades and take them back to greatness, Riley was hired to win 8 or 9 and be a good guy until the next great coach came along. (Scott Frost)

Eichorst couldn't handle Pelini and made a hasty change.

Eichorst was soft.
Frank Solich went 9-4, 12-1, 10-2, 11-2, 7-7, 9-3, was a gentleman in the class of Tom Osborne, and got fired before the Alamo Bowl in 2003.  Overall, he went 56-19, averaging 9.33 wins/year.  It seems that he was fired because Nebraska was not beating Oklahoma and Texas with any regularity.

Then Nebraska inexplicably hired Bill Callahan, coming off a 4-12 season as HFC of the Oakland Raiders.  He went 5-6, 8-4, 9-5, 5-7.  Overall, 27-22, averaging 6.5 wins/year.  Bill Callahan is not head coaching material.  He's not a flaming jackass like Bo Pelini, but it seems that he can't relate to or gain the consistent support of his players.

Bo Pelini went 1-0 (2003 Alamo Bowl), then, following the disaster that was Bill Callahan, 9-4, 10-4, 10-4, 9-4, 10-4, 9-4, 9-3.  He never won a conference title, but his divisional finishes were: Big 12N: T-1st, 1st, T-1st; B1G Legends: 3rd, 1st, T-2nd; B1G West T-2nd.  His overall record was 67-27, averaging 9.6 wins/year.

So Pelini was the most successful post-Osborne HFC and stayed the longest.  But it seems to me that he basically forced the Nebraska admins to fire him.  The first leaked audiotape was effectively a kick to the nuts of the University of Nebraska.

In that first one, after many fans left during the 3rd quarter of a comeback win over tOSU, he said: "Our crowd. What a bunch of f***ing fair-weather f***ing—they can all kiss my ass out the f***ing door. 'Cause the day is f***ing coming now. We'll see what they can do when I'm f***ing gone. I'm so f***ing pissed off."

He also had numerous heated/furious/out-of-control confrontations with officials, some of them resulting in penalties.  After a loss to Iowa--during which he had lost control and been penalized--at the end of the 2013 season, he remained defiant in the post-game presser, referring to his penalty as "chicken shit."  He also declared, "If they want to fire me, go ahead . . . I don't apologize for anything I have done."  He did apologize later.

From afar, I thought that Pelini was a weekly embarrassment to the University of Nebraska.  But his behavior didn't keep him from winning at a decent clip, and it didn't queer the deal with the move to the Big Ten.  Still, it seems to me that Nebraska fired him more for his bad behavior than his reasonable level of success, "only" winning 9.6 games/year.  (This is more or less consistent with your last post quoted.)

In the second audiotape, 2 days after he was fired, meeting with his former team in a high school, he said: "It wasn't a surprise to me. It really wasn't. I didn't really have any relationship with the AD. The guy — you guys saw him (Sunday) — the guy's a total p----. I mean, he is. He's a total c---."  I think there's some insight into his character.  Not many schools would have had him coach after a tirade like that.  Youngstown State did, of course, but he's a hometown boy.

I wonder how things might have worked out between Pelini and Nebraska had they hired him after the 2003 Alamo Bowl rather than going on a 41-day coaching search that resulted in Callahan coming to Lincoln.  Would he have lasted as long as he did?  Or would Nebraska's standards have still been high, so high that Frank Solich hadn't met them, resulting in less patience with Pelini's antics than the University showed from 2008-2014?
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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2019, 11:30:46 PM »
All good questions.   I'm of the kind that believes that Pelini's termination (reasons well summarized above) was akin to what I see a lot in my professional career.....we've seen enough, you've worn out your welcome, and frankly this is time to go our separate ways.   This wasn't one thing, and by all accounts, Pelini was really good on the 'off the field' circuit, and was affable, approachable, well received out in the community.    Between the lines though,  we all saw it, or heard it, and that became enough, over time.  

Not that I must defend myself here, but I was pretty consistent with my views, in sum:  firing Solich led me to never donate again, I went 14 years between attending a home game, I loathed Stevie Pedey, BC was an absolute fish out of water, I hated his WCO, never thought he would succeed, be a fit, etc.   Riley was (football wise) Billy C 2.0, and his recruiting was an abomination.    Having said that,  9 win seasons are not a birthright, and there's nothing that says Nebraska has to be a football power indefinitely, I don't expect 60-3 five year runs to occur again, let alone 50-13.

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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2019, 12:16:10 AM »
Scott Frost made it very clear that he thought Solich and Pelini were good coaches, Callahan and Riley did NOT do things the right way at Nebraska

Pelini was his own worst issue obviously.  While Osborne was the AD he survived.  When Eichorst came into the AD spot there was a lack of respect there that couldn't be overcome.
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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2019, 10:59:31 AM »


Tressel jokes that he has to give Pelini a pretty wide berth on game day. That he just becomes completely maniacal.
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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2019, 12:18:46 PM »
might not be a joke
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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2019, 01:32:36 PM »
Scott Frost made it very clear that he thought Solich and Pelini were good coaches, Callahan and Riley did NOT do things the right way at Nebraska

Pelini was his own worst issue obviously.  While Osborne was the AD he survived.  When Eichorst came into the AD spot there was a lack of respect there that couldn't be overcome.
Riley was odd because he’s a pretty good coach, but not at that job and probably not at that time in his career.

Callahan is a good assistant and was hired in one of the greatest moves of institutional hubris we’ve seen.

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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2019, 08:13:01 PM »
Callahan is a good O-line coach

that should of been his position in Lincoln
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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2019, 07:44:05 AM »
AS we've noted many times, firing a coach might be needed, but you can go through a few before finding a good one again.  The issue with lesser programs is that when they find a good one, everyone else notices too.  Look at Appy State, they found a good one, and may have another.

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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2019, 10:09:05 AM »
I just don't understand firing a "decent" coach, a Solich or Pelini, if you don't have a better coach lined up to take the job.
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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2019, 10:28:11 AM »
It's a delicate line.  Didn't Auburn get into a mess 10-15 years ago with talking to a coach about taking the job while another coach was still employed?  Maybe Tuberville was the incumbent coach?

In Nebraska's case, they probably shouldn't have fired Solich, but you have to fire Pelini.  He was just out of control and not representing the university well.

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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2019, 10:55:30 AM »
Ya Pelini just twisted off too much.If it was just the one time when the fans left early,I could understand.To him that was not showing support/faith in the players/program by the so called best fans in CFB.After that however he almost seemed like a primma donna looking for attention.Or maybe he just wanted out but wouldn't get the benefits if he just stepped down,thus forcing them to fire him
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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2019, 11:01:01 AM »
Anyway 2020 could tell a lot about the future of UNL football fortunes.IMO Frost is the guy I just think it's gonna take time.Wasn't T.O. there like 17 yrs before winning it all?Might take that slow,steady climb to get back there re-establishing their brand and the recruiting base.
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Re: B1G West, 2020
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2019, 11:20:49 AM »
Brash as it may be, he sorta had a point. They haven't been very good since he left.
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