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medinabuckeye1

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B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« on: May 27, 2022, 04:12:10 PM »
Since I already launched into this in another thread I thought I'd expand on it here.  

With the impending end of divisions, 2022 might be the best chance that several B1G-W teams ever have of getting to the CG.  As soon as next year they could all be thrown in with the B1G-E which would undoubtedly diminish their chances of making it.  So, without further ado here are all seven B1G-W teams' league schedules with their five away games and four home games.  I've organized this in roughly what I preliminarily think will be the order of difficulty to win (taking both opponent and H/A into account) but the teams are simply organized alphabetically:

  • Illinois:  @M, @UW, @UNL, vsMSU, vsIA, @IU, vsPU, vsMN, @NU
  • Iowa:  @tOSU, vsM, vsUW, @PU, @MN, vsUNL, @IL, vsNU, @RU
  • Minnesota:  @PSU, @UW, @MSU, @UNL, vsIA, vsPU, @IL, vsRU, vsNU
  • Nebraska:  @M, @IA, vsUW, @PU, vsMN, vsIL, vsIU, @RU, vsNU
  • Northwestern:  vstOSU, @PSU, @IA, vsUW, @PU, @MN, vsUNL, @UMD, vsIL
  • Purdue:  @UW, vsPSU, @MN, vsUNL, vsIA, @IL, @IU, @UMD, vsNU
  • Wisconsin:  @tOSU, @MSU, @IA, @UNL, vsPU, vsMN, vsIL, @NU, vsUMD


Purdue is the only B1G-W team not visiting Ann Arbor, Columbus, or State College this year.  I think that is a big advantage because they are the only B1G-W team with a pretty good chance to go 3-0 against the B1G-E.  If they can pull that off then 4-2 in divisional games will get the job done for them provided that the other teams are equal enough to each absorb a couple losses inter-divisionally.  

I know that Northwestern has an odd knack for following up a terrible season (like last year) with a great one but I just don't see it this year.  That schedule looks like an out-and-out nightmare to me.  Having tOSU and UW at home is likely a curse disguised as a blessing.  HFA is great but I think they lose those games anyway (partly because NU doesn't really have much "HFA" anyway).  They gave up a home game for a neutral site game in Dublin which only leaves them with three home games and two of them are against tOSU and UW.  If they lose those two then it looks like 1-8 is not unlikely and anything better than 3-6 would be a flat-out miracle.  

Wisconsin has been consistently fielding good-to-great teams for better than three decades now but this schedule looks rough.  The four road trips to Columbus, East Lansing, Iowa City, and Lincoln would be a tall order for anyone and Wisconsin is not an exception to that.  That said, losing in Columbus and East Lansing wouldn't be all that damaging to the Badgers' CG hopes because the rest of the B1G-W teams should all lose at least once to a team not named UW so if they lose to tOSU and MSU but otherwise win they should get back to Indy.  

Iowa has an interesting schedule where a lot depends on how good Michigan, Purdue, and Minnesota are.  If the Hawkeyes can beat the Wolverines at home and the Boilers and Gophers on the road then they should be in good shape but if they can't then they'll be an also-ran.  

Minnesota was close last year and REALLY close in 2019 but this year's road trips to State College, Madison, East Lansing, and Lincoln could make things difficult this year.  Even the trip to Champaign could be tough, the Gophers lost to the Illini last year in Minneapolis.  

Personally I don't think Bert will have Illinois ready to contend just yet but we'll find out early as the Illini travel to Madison on the first of October and host the Hawkeyes a week later.  If they lose those two I think they are out.  

Nebraska could be the wildcard in this whole thing.  Last year they finished with a pathetic 3-9 record but almost every week they lost by one score and that included competitive games against some really good teams.  Their nine losses last year:
  • In OT @ Michigan State
  • By 3 vs Michigan
  • By 5 vs Purdue
  • By 7 @ Oklahoma
  • By 7 @ Wisconsin
  • By 7 vs Iowa
  • By 7 @ Minnesota
  • By 8 @ Illinois
  • By 9 vs Ohio State

With that many close losses they could potentially improve their record by half-a-dozen or more games without actually getting all that much better.  

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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2022, 04:58:05 PM »
Several weeks ago I saw one media source predicting Nebraska to win the West.

Today I see CBS Sports projects Minnesota.

Based on schedule I now see how one might project Nebraska to win the West. 

As for me I am disappointed with Iowa having not replaced its offensive coordinator and instead doubled down on a bad coordinator by also making him QBs coach. Spring ball did not go so well for the QBs at Iowa. I don't see Iowa winning the West. 

I am leaning toward Nebraska and UW.

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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2022, 08:08:02 PM »
I think I do like Purdue with that extremely manageable schedule they have.  I think Wisconsin has the best team, but what a brutal schedule there.  It's an even year, so we might have a Northwestern sighting, but I can't see it with that schedule and their lack of QB production.  Nebraska is certainly interesting as well.  I think they made a lot of good offseason moves, so let's see if it FINALLY pays off.  And then of course Iowa isn't being talked about much.  Not a sexy team, but I'm sure they'll be in it until the end.

Edit: Why stop there?  It honestly looks like all 7 teams have a chance to win this thing.  Even lowly Illinois showed enough life last year for me to not totally look past them.

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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2022, 10:46:25 AM »
Nebraska because of desperation to go to a bowl and save Frost's hide is following Michigan State's recipe and went to the portal for a bunch of players

if the portal QB and a WR and a D-lineman can play at a high level, things could go well

the O-line is the issue and has been the issue since Frost arrived
if the O-line doesn't improve the new QB and WRs and RBs will be limited

they did bring in a new O-line coach and a couple big guards from the portal

Oh, and don't forget that the special teams SUCK - did land a place kicker in the portal

fingers crossed
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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2022, 10:54:12 AM »
UW's chances hinge on QB and WR/TE play. If that can improve, they will win the West.

The OL will be stellar, as will the running game, and the defense needs no mention. It will be among the best.
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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2022, 11:10:34 AM »
I'm not coming to Madison
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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2022, 12:27:04 PM »
Last years standings

Iowa 7-2
MINN 6-3
Wisc 6-3
Pur 6-3
ILL 4-5
NEB 1-8
NW 1-8

Even though Iowa won the divsion,  they only were 1-2 against Minn, Wisc and Purdue.  The key difference was Iowa went 3-0 vs. The east division teams of IND, MD, PSU.  Probably the first time in the history of west division that the cross-division schedule actually was the deciding factor in who won the division.  I guess that must be why nobody is picking Iowa to repeat. This year Iowa gets Mich, OSU and rutgers.  Even Iowa fans will probably have to concede winning the division in 2021 was mostly a fluke,  but then again it was just one of those years where nobody probably deserved to win the West, but had 4 teams that deserved to at least finish 2nd or 3rd.  2021 was a great example why the Big Ten wants to just get rid of the divisions.

With all that said,  with Purdue's schedule, the stars seem to be aligning for Jeff Brahm to finally break through and finally win the west.  If so, at least the West will send a little more interesting team on offense to the CCG this year. 

Iowa and NW both pretty much rode some stingy defenses to their division titles, but boy did their offenses stink. But that's a sign too whoever comes out of west will need to have a top defense for those days when the offense is not there.

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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2022, 12:33:08 PM »
Last years standings
Iowa 7-2
MINN 6-3
Wisc 6-3
Pur 6-3
ILL 4-5
NEB 1-8
NW 1-8
Combine the above with this:
Nebraska could be the wildcard in this whole thing.  Last year they finished with a pathetic 3-9 record but almost every week they lost by one score and that included competitive games against some really good teams.  Their nine losses last year:
  • In OT @ Michigan State
  • By 3 vs Michigan
  • By 5 vs Purdue
  • By 7 @ Oklahoma
  • By 7 @ Wisconsin
  • By 7 vs Iowa
  • By 7 @ Minnesota
  • By 8 @ Illinois
  • By 9 vs Ohio State
Now you can see why I think UNL is such a wildcard this year.  If you add one regulation TD to each game last year:
  • The MSU game doesn't go to OT, UNL wins 27-20 in regulation:  4-8/2-7
  • The Michigan game becomes a 36-32 win:  5-7/3-6
  • The Purdue game becomes a 30-28 win:  6-7/4-5
  • The Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Minnesota games go to OT.  If we assume that UNL goes .500 in OT (a seemingly reasonable assumption for any team) and they win two of the league games while losing one plus the OU game OOC that gets them to:  8-5/6-3

Thus Nebraska is no worse than one game out of the league title (depending on whether or not the Iowa game is won in OT).  

A one TD per game improvement is not out of the question for a team, that is a reasonable and possible thing.  Thus, I agree with this:
Edit: Why stop there?  It honestly looks like all 7 teams have a chance to win this thing.  Even lowly Illinois showed enough life last year for me to not totally look past them.
I agree, you can't count any of these teams out.  using last year's standings as provided above by @LittlePig :
  • 7-2 Iowa:  I wouldn't bet on them but nobody is talking about Iowa and frankly that is usually when they surprise.  Add to that the fact that they ARE the defending champions and there really is no reason to think they CAN'T win it in 2022.  
  • 6-3 Minnesota:  The Gophers' three league losses last year were a two-TD loss to the Buckeyes whom they do not have to play this year, to the Illini by 8 in what looks like a crazy fluke, and to the Hawkeyes on the road by five.  I wouldn't bet on them either but it wouldn't take much improvement to erase all three losses.  
  • 6-3 Wisconsin:  For one thing, 2021 just felt like one of those periodic weaker-than-usual years that all teams have for various reasons for the Badgers.  Secondly, they started out an anemic 1-3 with a close loss to PSU and not-so-close losses to very good ND and M teams but then finished on an 8-1 tear with the wins interrupted only by losing the Axe for the first time in a LONG time.  Thirdly, Wisconsin's defense was at least borderline elite so if they can maintain that, they don't actually need a great offense they just need a decent or at least competent offense to go places.  
  • 6-3 Purdue:  Purdue's crossovers this year (vsPSU, @IU, @UMD) are MUCH more manageable than last year (@tOSU, vsMSU, vsIU) and they went 2-1 last year.  Even with the same divisional record as last year (4-2), getting their crossover record to 3-0 would move them up to 7-2 which would have been enough to win the division last year since they beat Iowa H2H.  Beyond that, while they Boilers weren't particularly competitive in the Wisconsin loss, the Minnesota loss was by 7 in a game that Purdue led 13-10 at halftime.  The problem being that in the second half the Boilers scored zero points on drives of 46, 15, 58, 58, and 48 yards.  It isn't like Minnesota shut them down in the second half, Purdue was able to move the ball, they just couldn't finish drives.  Their second half drives resulted in two punts, a missed FG, an INT, and a loss on downs.  Like a lot of teams in this division it feels like if Purdue had been even slightly better last year they'd have won the division in a laugher.  
  • 4-5 Illinois:  Even though they finished sub .500 the Illini looked to be improving last year and they did have three one-score losses in the league (UMD by a FG, PU by four, and RU by six).  They were also competitive in their loss at Iowa and showed life in wins over MN and PSU along with the aforementioned competitive loss to Iowa.  They weren't THAT far away last year.  Flip the three one-score losses and they tie Iowa for the division title.  
  • 1-8 Nebraska:  See above.  
  • 1-8 Northwestern:  I really don't have any logical reason to believe that Northwestern can be competitive next year.  They were awful last year and unlike some of the above they didn't have a lot of close losses.  However, Northwestern just seems to have this odd knack for being pretty darn good in even-numbered years.  They sucked in 2021 but won the division in 2020.  They went 2-9/0-8 in 2019 but won the division in 2018.  In the last four years Northwestern won division titles in the two even years (2018 and 2020) and went a combined 1-17 in the two odd years (2019 and 2021).  I can't explain it.  


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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2022, 01:19:23 PM »
Some interesting betting lines here:

To win the West:

Wisconsin +170
Nebraska +300
Iowa +450
Purdue +600
Minnesota +600
Illinois +3000
Northwestern +10000

And then expected regular season wins:

Wisconsin 8.5
Nebraska 7.5
Iowa 7.5
Purdue 7.5
Minnesota 7.5
Illinois 4.5
Northwestern 4.5

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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2022, 02:50:26 PM »
Going against Wisconsin is always-ish stupid.  Purdue seems like the best value play though

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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2022, 04:20:52 PM »
Wisconsin seems to win the division about 50% of the time, so they are overdue, last winning in 2019.

NW is good in even numbered years and awful in odd numbered years.  So they should be good this year.

Iowa seems to win the division about every 6 years.  2009 (defacto west winner), 2015, 2021 for example.  So Iowa is probably good until 2027.

Minn ties for first about once every 10 years, but never wins the tiebreaker.  They last tied for first in 2019, so they are good for now.

ILL is awful for 8 years,  then surprises everybody and is good for 1 year, then goes back to being awful.  The last time they were good was 2007, so they are overdue.

NEB needs to get back to the Bo Pelini wins 9 games every year consistency,  but it seems like that pattern has been broken forever.  Now they are the team that can't even finish .500 and go to a bowl.  I sure don't think they are suddenly going back to 9-4 every year.  First get back to to 7-6.  Sadly,  Iowa is now the team in the West that wins 9 games every year, not Nebraska.

Then there's Purdue.  They seem to be overdue too.  Really have to go back to Drew Brees and 2000 for that last landmark season.  It's their time, man.  They seem like the team to root for.

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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2022, 07:01:01 PM »
 
  • 1-8 Northwestern:  I really don't have any logical reason to believe that Northwestern can be competitive next year.  They were awful last year and unlike some of the above they didn't have a lot of close losses.  However, Northwestern just seems to have this odd knack for being pretty darn good in even-numbered years.  They sucked in 2021 but won the division in 2020.  They went 2-9/0-8 in 2019 but won the division in 2018.  In the last four years Northwestern won division titles in the two even years (2018 and 2020) and went a combined 1-17 in the two odd years (2019 and 2021).  I can't explain it. 




It's like how 2015 OSU had all the talent in the world, but they didn't contend for a NC because they just won a NC the year before and they couldn't muster up the same hunger to do it again. 

Northwestern just experiences that on a smaller scale. They win the division and get all fat and happy and thinking that they are great, and then they are in for a rude awakening the following year when they fail to gel as a team and don't have the raw talent to do much of anything otherwise. 
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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2022, 09:45:34 AM »
I think winning an NC takes some breaks along the way, along with an elite level team.

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Re: B1G-W 2022 Division Race
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2022, 10:30:44 AM »
Wisconsin seems to win the division about 50% of the time, so they are overdue, last winning in 2019.

NW is good in even numbered years and awful in odd numbered years.  So they should be good this year.

Iowa seems to win the division about every 6 years.  2009 (defacto west winner), 2015, 2021 for example.  So Iowa is probably good until 2027.

Minn ties for first about once every 10 years, but never wins the tiebreaker.  They last tied for first in 2019, so they are good for now.

ILL is awful for 8 years,  then surprises everybody and is good for 1 year, then goes back to being awful.  The last time they were good was 2007, so they are overdue.

NEB needs to get back to the Bo Pelini wins 9 games every year consistency,  but it seems like that pattern has been broken forever.  Now they are the team that can't even finish .500 and go to a bowl.  I sure don't think they are suddenly going back to 9-4 every year.  First get back to to 7-6.  Sadly,  Iowa is now the team in the West that wins 9 games every year, not Nebraska.

Then there's Purdue.  They seem to be overdue too.  Really have to go back to Drew Brees and 2000 for that last landmark season.  It's their time, man.  They seem like the team to root for.

Interesting analysis. Only UW, NU and Iowa have seen Indy. I think it will probably stay that way too.
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