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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, week 8

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2021, 11:50:42 AM »
1  Michigan
2  OSU
3  Iowa
4  MSU
5  Wisconsin
6  Minnesota
7  PSU
8  Purdue
9  Illinois
10 Maryland
11 Nebraska
12 Northwestern
13 Rutgers
14 Indiana

Its going to be an interesting month 

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2021, 11:58:35 AM »
1) Ohio State (1)
2) Michigan (3)
3) Iowa (4)
4) Michigan State (5)
5) Wisconsin (6)
6) Penn State (2)
7) Minnesota (8)
8) Nebraska (10)
9) Purdue (9)
10) Maryland (7)
11) Indiana (11)
12) Northwestern (12)
13) Illinois (14)
14) Rutgers (13)


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2021, 12:42:36 PM »
Just give me Mondays Powerball number to save time and suspense
Lotteries are rigged my friend, plan for retirement through other means.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2021, 12:52:46 PM »
Lotteries are rigged my friend, plan for retirement through other means.
Rigged?  Do you mean nonrandom?

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2021, 12:57:04 PM »
Wrong.  It would not "be criminal" if a two loss team was left out of the playoffs.  Two losses would indicate that neither earned the right to be there.
Records are mostly irrelevant because season schedules vary drastically from team to team.  It's a pipe dream but having an objective, knowledgeable committee evaluate teams based on their on field performance is much preferred.  There are metrics that are very telling other than wins/losses.

This year it's Alabama, OSU and most likely Georgia.  Everybody else is playing for the honor to be manhandled in the semi-finals by one of these three.  This season is no different than any other in recent memory with the exception that Clemson is in a reloading year.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2021, 01:02:44 PM »
Rigged?  Do you mean nonrandom?
Likely, yes.  But more importantly you and will never win that I can assure you.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2021, 01:42:18 PM »
Records are mostly irrelevant because season schedules vary drastically from team to team.  It's a pipe dream but having an objective, knowledgeable committee evaluate teams based on their on field performance is much preferred.  There are metrics that are very telling other than wins/losses.

This year it's Alabama, OSU and most likely Georgia.  Everybody else is playing for the honor to be manhandled in the semi-finals by one of these three.  This season is no different than any other in recent memory with the exception that Clemson is in a reloading year.

No.....records are not irrelevant.  You earn your way to the playoffs by winning games.  If you slip up....you lose the opportunity.  Under your suggestion.....you might as well give teams like Alabama and OSU automatic bids....because they always bring in more talent than most other teams.  Either team loses another game and they are out.  Tough break....but it turns out that the best teams don't always win the NC, the Super Bowl, the NBA Finals, the World Series, and so on.  If you lost two games in a season.....you aren't the best team.  The best teams win their games.  Simple as that.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2021, 02:06:33 PM »
No.....records are not irrelevant.  You earn your way to the playoffs by winning games.  If you slip up....you lose the opportunity.  Under your suggestion.....you might as well give teams like Alabama and OSU automatic bids....because they always bring in more talent than most other teams.  Either team loses another game and they are out.  Tough break....but it turns out that the best teams don't always win the NC, the Super Bowl, the NBA Finals, the World Series, and so on.  If you lost two games in a season.....you aren't the best team.  The best teams win their games.  Simple as that.
A two loss Alabama or OSU would destroy an undefeated Cincy, SMU, WF, UTSA, and San Diego St.  They would also beat an undefeated MSU, UM and Oklahoma 8 times out of 10.  There is years of data to support this.  College football is a small handful of haves and a shitload of have nots.

If you want to watch competitive games during the playoff then you have to leave the have nots at home.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2021, 02:23:53 PM »
A two loss Alabama or OSU would destroy an undefeated Cincy, SMU, WF, UTSA, and San Diego St.  They would also beat an undefeated MSU, UM and Oklahoma 8 times out of 10.  There is years of data to support this.  College football is a small handful of haves and a shitload of have nots.

If you want to watch competitive games during the playoff then you have to leave the have nots at home. 

Alabama will have their shot when they play Georgia for the SEC Championship.  They lose and that's all we need to know.  Time to give another team a shot.  OSU should run the table here.  The game against Michigan is their one question.  If they take a second loss against an undefeated Michigan team.....that's all that needs to be said.  Michigan is in over them.

Results matter.  If a team drops two games in a season.....they aren't a championship team.  A championship team wins their games ALL year.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2021, 02:32:20 PM »

  • Ohio State
  • Michigan
  • Michigan State
  • Iowa 
  • Penn State 
  • Wisconsin   
  • Minnesota 
  • Illinois
  • Nebraska
  • Purdue
  • Maryland
  • Rutgers
  • Indiana
  • Northwestern
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1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2021, 05:13:26 PM »
Alabama will have their shot when they play Georgia for the SEC Championship.  They lose and that's all we need to know.  Time to give another team a shot.  OSU should run the table here.  The game against Michigan is their one question.  If they take a second loss against an undefeated Michigan team.....that's all that needs to be said.  Michigan is in over them.

Results matter.  If a team drops two games in a season.....they aren't a championship team.  A championship team wins their games ALL year.
I'd still take Alabama over the have nots in this scenario.  That would be a competitive early season loss in a hostile night game environment, winning one of the toughest divisions in the country and losing to the top ranked team in the country.  It's still better than what Cincy has to offer with that one win against mediocre Notre Dame.  Teams that schedule a cakewalk but can't back it up come playoff time don't belong in the discussion.

UM doesn't have the coaching, personnel or even culture to be honest to entertain the possibility of them upsetting OSU.  At best they'll lose to OSU and their bowl game to finish with 2 losses.  Wins over MSU and PSU aren't a given but I consider them slight favorites in both games at the moment.

I'd like to see other teams in the playoff, but they need to actually be good.  The system's broken, would love to see it go back to the way it was in the 90's or expand the playoff to eight teams.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2021, 05:59:52 PM »
I'd still take Alabama over the have nots in this scenario.  That would be a competitive early season loss in a hostile night game environment, winning one of the toughest divisions in the country and losing to the top ranked team in the country.  It's still better than what Cincy has to offer with that one win against mediocre Notre Dame.  Teams that schedule a cakewalk but can't back it up come playoff time don't belong in the discussion.

UM doesn't have the coaching, personnel or even culture to be honest to entertain the possibility of them upsetting OSU.  At best they'll lose to OSU and their bowl game to finish with 2 losses.  Wins over MSU and PSU aren't a given but I consider them slight favorites in both games at the moment.

I'd like to see other teams in the playoff, but they need to actually be good.  The system's broken, would love to see it go back to the way it was in the 90's or expand the playoff to eight teams.

Alabama also lost a game to a middling Texas A&M team.  Sorry....but when only four teams make the playoffs....the ones that win their games deserve the right to play.  Alabama can play themselves into the playoffs by beating Georgia.  If they can't.....two losses.....enjoy a New Year's Bowl and be better next year.

As for your UM/OSU claims.....I agree.  Which is why OSU should be expected to win out.  There isn't a team in the Big Ten that should be able to run with them.....but Michigan is probably the closest.  And if Michigan beats OSU....they'll be undefeated and will likely represent the East in the championship.  There'd be no scenario in which a zero or one loss Michigan team that beat OSU straight up would be left out in favor of a two loss OSU team.  No chance.

The fact is.....with only four teams in the playoffs.....almost every week in the NCAA is a faux playoff game.  But teams like Alabama and OSU are given the benefit of the doubt already and year after year top the list of one loss teams when the playoffs are determined.  What would be broken would be for the committee to ignore regular season results and award teams that don't play great during that stretch.  Eventually the playoffs will be expanded and the best two loss teams might sneak in.  But until that point....it's just not going to happen....nor should it.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2021, 12:39:00 AM »
Alabama also lost a game to a middling Texas A&M team.  Sorry....but when only four teams make the playoffs....the ones that win their games deserve the right to play.  Alabama can play themselves into the playoffs by beating Georgia.  If they can't.....two losses.....enjoy a New Year's Bowl and be better next year.

As for your UM/OSU claims.....I agree.  Which is why OSU should be expected to win out.  There isn't a team in the Big Ten that should be able to run with them.....but Michigan is probably the closest.  And if Michigan beats OSU....they'll be undefeated and will likely represent the East in the championship.  There'd be no scenario in which a zero or one loss Michigan team that beat OSU straight up would be left out in favor of a two loss OSU team.  No chance.

The fact is.....with only four teams in the playoffs.....almost every week in the NCAA is a faux playoff game.  But teams like Alabama and OSU are given the benefit of the doubt already and year after year top the list of one loss teams when the playoffs are determined.  What would be broken would be for the committee to ignore regular season results and award teams that don't play great during that stretch.  Eventually the playoffs will be expanded and the best two loss teams might sneak in.  But until that point....it's just not going to happen....nor should it.
Blindly ranking teams by record leads to poor playoff matchups and encourages scheduling OOC cupcakes. Check out the Sagarin ranking of Alabama and Cincy and then compare it to the illogical AP and Coaches polls.  There's a reason for the disparity.  Would Cincy be undefeated right now if they played Alabama's schedule?  It's not black and white.

Suggesting that Alabama and OSU receive the benefit of the doubt as if it's unwarranted is a little disingenuous.  They are literally two of only three programs that have displayed multiple years of dominance with no other school being close.

Go back and check out the results when Washington, MSU and Notre Dame made the playoffs.  They had good seasons, but they were all predictably run off the field.  Did they deserve the right to get manhandled or would they have been better off playing in a more competitive New Year's Bowl game?

Since there's only four spots to fill you have to place the most competitive teams.  The most competitive teams don't always win their conference and finish the season undefeated.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, week 8
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2021, 12:49:35 AM »
You guys are acting like OSU has never been left out of the playoffs with only one loss before. 

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