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Entropy

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2018, 01:55:04 PM »
or Minnesota...  they've at least won a few games
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2018, 01:58:33 PM »
Quote from: TamrielsKeeper on October 15, 2018, 01:32:35 PM
The B1G West is shaping up to be extremely interesting.

Wisconsin still controls its own destiny, but I think any of Purdue, Northwestern, or Iowa all have a shot too.  

Purdue has one of the best offenses in the conference.  Northwestern is always scrappy and only have one loss.  The problem for both of them is their schedules - Purdue drew tOSU & MSU out of the east and play them in the next two consecutive weeks, and Northwestern has to go to Wisconsin & Iowa, it will be tough for them to win both of those on the road.

The big question in the West is whether Wisconsin/Iowa can beat Penn State - even if they can, Purdue/Northwestern will be tricky games for both.
UW plays at NU this year. That will be a tough game for them to win. Only one win (2016) there since 1999.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2018, 02:00:40 PM »
well, the Skers are 6 point favs over the Gophers and since your post followed the post regarding the West race, I assumed you ere talking about Iowa.

If the Huskers can use the luck of the sharkwater and get a win vs the Gophers and then Bethune-Cookman they could be favored over Lovies squad in Lincoln

I don't think they can pull and upset over the Bucks, but Sparty and the Hawks would be in the cross hairs
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2018, 02:28:00 PM »
ff... I'd take an Iowa win.   I didn't look at spreads before posting.  Surprised UNL is favored by 6.    And yes, Sparty is an option too.   UNL has no chance vs OSU.   
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2018, 02:52:11 PM »
Agree the West come down to how Iowa and Wisconsin do against PSU and NW.  

Or could this be the year that NW finally sneaks into the CCG by sweeping Wisc and Iowa?
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2018, 03:55:39 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on October 15, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
ff... I'd take an Iowa win.   I didn't look at spreads before posting.  Surprised UNL is favored by 6.    And yes, Sparty is an option too.   UNL has no chance vs OSU.  
luck, curses, whatever
Huskers are 3-2 vs Sparty since joining the B1G
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2018, 04:09:15 PM »
well, line started at 7 points Huskers, quickly dropped to 6, now at 4.

could easily be a pick'em with the boat rowers at kickoff
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2018, 05:55:43 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on October 15, 2018, 12:01:05 PM
Nos. 1, and 2 are close to switchable for most of us, I would guess. A reasonable argument can be made for Michigan.
Ohio State has a dominant offense, but a great defense like Michigan's, when supplemented by a reasonably good offense, makes for close games against competitive offenses, and can make all the difference. The anticipation for Michigan and Ohio State fans this year, for their game, must be more intense than ever.
(Ahhh! I thought you were objecting as if I had said that no one except M or OSU could later end up in the Top 2, and I wanted to clarify, but you were actually objecting that the Top 2 were easy to pick between. Got it! FWIW then, my original comment was about 3-10 having some truly crazy variation. Even if there's no consensus on M/OSU, at least every vote for either has been contiguously 1/2.)
As for the rest your wrote. Yeah, maybe! IF Michigan can beat MSU/PSU, the anticipation will be a mirror image of '97, '06, and '16. Michigan needs to have more "up" years in odd seasons, because so far these games have gone 100% to the home team..
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2018, 06:23:24 PM »
For divisional championship, is your record within division the key or is it your conference record?

I.e. let's say Purdue goes 5-1 in division [beating Wisconsin, losing to NU] but 5-4 overall, losing to all three B1G East opponents.

Then Wisconsin goes 5-1 in division [losing to Purdue], but 7-2 overall, with the only losses being Michigan and Purdue.

And all other division foes finish 4-2 or worse. 

Does Purdue go to the B1G CCG based on the equal divisional record and H2H tiebreaker? Or Wisconsin based on the better conference record?
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2018, 07:21:03 PM »
To win division it's overall conference record.

Only thing I am unsure of is in the case of like a 3-way tie (say Wisc beats NU and Purdue beats Wisc and Iowa tumbles) at 7-2 where H2H isn't a factor, is division record the next tie breaker.

Of if Iowa doesn't tumble and there's a way to get to a 4-way tie, how is that broken?  Division record first and then common opponents?
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2018, 07:27:29 PM »
Quote from: jhetfield99 on October 15, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
To win division it's overall conference record.
Ok. Someone said above that Purdue has an outside shot at the division.
I don't think that's accurate, given that I think we'll be 0-2 against OSU/MSU, and I'd almost say a best-case of 1-1 against Iowa/Wisconsin.
We'd have to get a share of the conference title at 4-2 in division, but if we lose OSU/MSU, and beat Indiana and Minnesota, that'd put us at 5-4 overall. No way that a team like Wisconsin will finish 5-4 in conference.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2018, 07:55:23 PM »
Now's the time of year that all those head-to-heads really mess with your rankings...

1) Ohio State
2) Hmmm, Michigan? I guess. Unbeaten in conference, and thrashed a pretty good team.
3) Penn State: treating Michigan State as an upset, which it feels like it was.
4) Wisconsin: away win over Iowa gets the nod.
5) Iowa: home loss to Wisconsin only blemish.
6) Maryland: should be higher?
7) roll the dice...Michigan State for the big upset.
8) Purdue. Whoa. That right there is pretty crazy.
9) Indiana: two Indiana schools in the top 10? Really crazy.
10) Now they're just bad, so...Minnesota
11) Northwestern
12) Illinois
13) Nebraska: what kind of bizzare universe is this?
14) Rutgers.

At least 1 and 14 make sense.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2018, 08:46:04 PM »
Quote from: jhetfield99 on October 15, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
To win division it's overall conference record.

Only thing I am unsure of is in the case of like a 3-way tie (say Wisc beats NU and Purdue beats Wisc and Iowa tumbles) at 7-2 where H2H isn't a factor, is division record the next tie breaker.

Of if Iowa doesn't tumble and there's a way to get to a 4-way tie, how is that broken?  Division record first and then common opponents?
In a multi-team tie (more than two) the tiebreakers are:
  • H2H2...H
  • Divisional Record
  • Record against the next best team(s) in the division, then the next, etc
  • Record against all common conference opponents
  • Cumulative winning percentage of non-divisional opponents
  • Record against the best team(s) in the other division, then the next, etc
  • Overall record
  • Random Draw
NOTE:  The rules state that if only two teams are left after any step (or sub-step) the H2H winner of those two.  If three or more are left then you move to the next tiebreaker with those three or more.  

Looking at these for a three-way tie:
  • It only goes past H2H2H if the three teams went 1-1 against each other.  
  • Divisional record could be tied.  
  • This might decide it if they each had an upset loss to a worse team in the division.  
  • This is unlikely to be decisive but it could be.  
  • This would probably decide it.  Whichever team had the better opposite-division opponents.  
  • This could also be decisive.  
  • For this one it would depend which teams were tied.  
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2018, 08:47:43 PM »
Quote from: jhetfield99 on October 15, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
To win division it's overall conference record.

Only thing I am unsure of is in the case of like a 3-way tie (say Wisc beats NU and Purdue beats Wisc and Iowa tumbles) at 7-2 where H2H isn't a factor, is division record the next tie breaker.

Of if Iowa doesn't tumble and there's a way to get to a 4-way tie, how is that broken?  Division record first and then common opponents?
Here's the tiebreaker link: https://bigten.org/news/2011/8/10/Big_Ten_Conference_Football_Divisional_Tiebreaker.aspx
Plenty of scenarios to type out, but Purdue's division loss to Northwestern is going to hurt in a tie-breaker situation unless they beat both Wisconsin and Iowa.
As I understand it, best case scenarios for Purdue
1) Win out (8-1). Outright division champ, assuming Northwestern loses one more.
2) Lose to one of OSU/MSU, and win the rest (7-2). 3-way tie with Wisconsin/Iowa, but Purdue will be 2-0 vs tied opponents and win the division.
3) A lot of variables at 6-3, but losing to OSU/MSU and winning out in West, or losing to Iowa + one of OSU/MSU *could* trigger a 3-way tie situation. Losing to Wisconsin + one of OSU/MSU will most likely create a 2-way tie w/Wisconsin holding H2H. Of course Northwestern is still in play, my head hurts... Paging @medinabuckeye1

ETA: He already beat me to it.
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