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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2018, 07:33:39 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on October 15, 2018, 03:54:20 AM
10. Indiana
12. Minnesota
You had no #11 and no Nebraska.  I have assumed that you meant to rank Nebraska 11th.  
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2018, 07:47:52 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on October 15, 2018, 01:57:51 AM
Actually, 1 through 12 are all in doubt, as I see it.
Of course, still in doubt. But that's a question on whether anyone is locked in to an outcome for the year. Obviously not. I wasn't commenting on that - just observing that voting is harder this week, specifically at 3-10.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2018, 07:48:28 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on October 14, 2018, 10:37:26 PM
#transitivepropertyisgarbage
My usual rebut to this argument:
We all know that just because A beat B and B beat C does NOT mean that C will lose to A when they play.  This is not being debated.  Every year there are numerous examples of exactly that.  OTOH, when you make these rankings, what are you basing them on?  If you are basing them on the games played then you are using the transitive property in one way or another.  
My view is this:
The reason for the A>B, B>C, C>A problem is not that the transitive property is garbage.  The problem instead is a lack of data:
  • Maybe team A played the game of their lives when they beat B?
  • Maybe B played a terrible game when they lost to A?
  • Maybe B played the game of their lives when they beat C?  
  • Maybe C played a terrible game when they lost to B?  
  • Maybe C played the game of their lives when they beat A?  
  • Maybe A played a terrible game when they lost to C?  

IMHO, every team plays within a range.  They have great games, good games, average games, bad games, and terrible games.  Looking just at one game, Ohio State's one point win in Happy Valley:
If that was a great game for Ohio State and a terrible game for Penn State then:
  • Penn State is one of the best teams in the league, and
  • Ohio State is no better than middling.  
If that was a great game for Penn State and a terrible game for Ohio State then:
  • Ohio State is one of the best teams in the league, and
  • Penn State is no better than middling.  
We don't know until we have enough data (games) to be able to assess these things and determine which games were flukes.  
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2018, 07:57:52 AM »
  • Ohio State:  I admit that they have not always looked the part of #1 but neither has anyone else.  
  • Michigan:  I realize that there is a strong argument for #1 but they haven't always looked the part either.  
  • Iowa:  That 11 point home loss to Wisconsin was closer than some recall.  
  • Michigan State:  I have no idea how to make sense of their last two weeks.  
  • Penn State:  Now basically out of the B1G-E race.  
  • Wisconsin:  Still in control in the B1G-W.  
  • Maryland:  Well . . .
  • Purdue:  Looked great in Champaign.  
  • Minnesota:  Looked much better than expected in Columbus.  
  • Northwestern:  It bothers me to not move Northwestern down for needing OT to beat a previously winless team but . . .
  • Indiana:  Clearly not ready for prime time, but better than those below.  
  • Nebraska:  Signs of life or just a bad game by the Wildcats?  
  • Illinois:  That was probably their last best chance to go bowling.  
  • Rutgers:  Would Rutgers even be middling in the MAC?  
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2018, 08:04:44 AM »
Last week in parenthesis...

  • OHIO STATE (1) - hanging on by a hair, another convincing UM performance over a top team this week, and they won't be
  • MICHIGAN (3) - just imagine if they came out of the gates like they play in the second half?
  • IOWA (5) - I think they are better than the 2015 team, even though it's still an uphill battle to get to Indy
  • PENN STATE (2) - feels like they should fall farther for losing to a banged up MSU team, but I can't ignore the MSU-NW game either
  • MICHIGAN STATE (6) - Saturday morning I would have signed up for a 6-6 finish
  • WISCONSIN (4) - worst Badger team in a decade?  I thought on paper it might be the best
  • MARYLAND (7) - IDLE (I know)
  • NORTHWESTERN (8) - Cardiac Cats keep bowl hopes alive
  • PURDUE (9) - laying the hammer on bottom feeders are what good teams are supposed to do, impressive job
  • INDIANA (10) - did they leave it all in Columbus?
  • MINNESOTA (11) - brought the fight for a half, just didn't have the horses
  • NEBRASKA (12) - poor Shuckers
  • ILLINOIS (13) - they were up 7-0 for a minute!
  • RUTGERS (14) - I'm done assuming they've hit rock bottom
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2018, 08:33:17 AM »
1. Ohio State
2. Michigan
3. Michigan State
4. Iowa
5. Penn State
6. Wisconsin
7. Northwestern
8. Purdue
9. Maryland
10. Minnesota
11. Indiana
12. Nebraska
13. Illinois
14. Rutgers 
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2018, 09:11:46 AM »
My preferred numbers system has Michigan over OSU by a spot, and I still think the OSU sandbagging is mighty strong here (or some OSU are mostly mad at what they saw)

Granted, that OSU defense is worst than what I expected. 41st in S&P? What the hell?
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2018, 10:48:26 AM »
1) Michigan
2) Ohio State
3) Iowa
4) Penn State
5) Wisconsin
6) Michigan State
7) Maryland
8) Northwestern
9) Purdue
10) Minnesota
11) Indiana
12) Nebraska
13) Illinois
14) Rutgers

The top two are the clear leaders (and you can swap them and get no argument from me).  Three thru six (and maaaybe seven) are all in contention for a New Year's Day bowl (not necessarily NY6, but a strong bowl nonetheless).  Seven thru eleven may need an upset or two, but they're still in the running for a bowl.  The bottom three are clearly the doormats of the conference, though I think Nebraska is better than its 0-6 record suggests.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2018, 11:16:33 AM »
1 Buckeyes
2 Wolverines
3 Penn State
4 Spartans
5 Badgers
6 Hawkeyes
7 Terrapins 
8 Wildcats
9 Boilermakers
10 Golden Gophers
11 Hoosiers
12 Fighting Illini 
13 Scarlet Knights 
14 Cornhuskers 
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2018, 12:01:05 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on October 15, 2018, 07:47:52 AM
Of course, still in doubt. But that's a question on whether anyone is locked in to an outcome for the year. Obviously not. I wasn't commenting on that - just observing that voting is harder this week, specifically at 3-10.
Nos. 1, and 2 are close to switchable for most of us, I would guess. A reasonable argument can be made for Michigan.
Ohio State has a dominant offense, but a great defense like Michigan's, when supplemented by a reasonably good offense, makes for close games against competitive offenses, and can make all the difference. The anticipation for Michigan and Ohio State fans this year, for their game, must be more intense than ever.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2018, 12:17:34 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 15, 2018, 09:11:46 AM
My preferred numbers system has Michigan over OSU by a spot, and I still think the OSU sandbagging is mighty strong here (or some OSU are mostly mad at what they saw)

Granted, that OSU defense is worst than what I expected. 41st in S&P? What the hell?
No sandbagging by me. The OSU defense has been beaten up in first halves, and, their run game gets less effective each week. Not a recipe for November success.
On the other hand there is still plenty of time to correct it and they certainly have the players to do it, but geez we are week 8.  The bye will do them some good if they can get past Purdue, on the road at night.
Here is a edumacation piece for those interested, like Dudekd who asked.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2018/10/97724/film-study-despite-a-major-chance-in-technique-ohio-states-defense-failed-to-live-up-to-expectations
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2018, 01:32:35 PM »
The B1G West is shaping up to be extremely interesting.

Wisconsin still controls its own destiny, but I think any of Purdue, Northwestern, or Iowa all have a shot too.  

Purdue has one of the best offenses in the conference.  Northwestern is always scrappy and only have one loss.  The problem for both of them is their schedules - Purdue drew tOSU & MSU out of the east and play them in the next two consecutive weeks, and Northwestern has to go to Wisconsin & Iowa, it will be tough for them to win both of those on the road.

The big question in the West is whether Wisconsin/Iowa can beat Penn State - even if they can, Purdue/Northwestern will be tricky games for both.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2018, 01:52:46 PM »
I still think UNL upsets someone.   They should have won Saturday.  You can tell during the game it was a team that was hoping to hold on instead of believing they could hold on.   Winning is a mindset and the team hasn't learned it yet.   They will have that game where the pieces fall for them... and confidence will build.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 7
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2018, 01:54:41 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on October 15, 2018, 01:52:46 PM
I still think UNL upsets someone.   They should have won Saturday.  You can tell during the game it was a team that was hoping to hold on instead of believing they could hold on.   Winning is a mindset and the team hasn't learned it yet.   They will have that game where the pieces fall for them... and confidence will build.
well, since UNL has lost to Wisconsin, Purdue, and Northwestern..... that leaves Iowa
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