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medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 02, 2018, 11:44:12 AM »

FWIW:
The only non-contiguous votes this week are @Brutus Buckeye 's votes for Maryland and Wisconsin:

He voted Wisconsin #6, nobody else had them lower than #4.
He voted Maryland #5, nobody else had them higher than #7.

I think this comes down to how you view the Badgers and Terps games against BYU and Temple respectively. This will all sort itself out very soon because over the next two weeks both of those teams travel to Ann Arbor.

fezzador · « **Reply #29 on:** October 02, 2018, 11:54:44 AM »

The B1G pecking order is becoming a little more clear.

1) Ohio State
2) Penn State
3) Wisconsin
4) Michigan
5) Michigan State
6) Iowa
7) Maryland
8) Purdue
9) Indiana
10) Minnesota
11) Northwestern
12) Nebraska
13) Illinois
14) Rutgers

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #30 on:** October 02, 2018, 12:17:43 PM »

I added in @fezzador 's vote. No change to the rankings.

These groupings stand out:

#1 Ohio State
#2 Penn State
#3/4 Wisconsin/Michigan
#5/6 Michigan State/Iowa
#7 Maryland
#8/9/10/11 Indiana/Purdue/Northwestern/Minnesota
#12/13/14 Illinois/Nebraska/Rutgers

TyphonInc · « **Reply #31 on:** October 02, 2018, 12:19:24 PM »

I think you can group OSU and PSU together in the top tier.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #32 on:** October 02, 2018, 12:27:06 PM »

S&P+ would argue that the bottom is:

12. UNL (71)
13. Illinois (101)
14. Rutger (115)

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 02, 2018, 12:43:58 PM »

Quote from: TyphonInc on October 02, 2018, 12:19:24 PM

I think you can group OSU and PSU together in the top tier.

I agree and I think most voters would agree but I was ranking based on gaps, ie:

tOSU is 1.00 ahead of PSU
PSU is 1.38 ahead of UW
UW is .031 ahead of M
M is 1.46 ahead of MSU
MSU is 0.62 ahead of Iowa
Iowa is 1.46 ahead of UMD
UMD is 1.39 ahead of IU
IU is 0.43 ahead of PU
PU is 0.61 ahead of NU
NU is 0.46 ahead of MN
MN is 2.31 ahead of IL
IL is 0.15 ahead of UNL
UNL is 1.00 ahead of RU

Other than the fact that Rutgers is separated by 1.00 from IL/UNL I used 1.00 to define a gap between groups.

I think that teams within the groups that I laid out could switch spots with other teams within their groups without a major upset. In order for a team to move groups though, a major upset would probably be needed. By that metric, I think that tOSU and PSU are separate groups because I can't realistically see PSU passing tOSU without a major upset.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #34 on:** October 02, 2018, 01:31:00 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 02, 2018, 11:44:12 AM

FWIW:
The only non-contiguous votes this week are @Brutus Buckeye 's votes for Maryland and Wisconsin:
He voted Wisconsin #6, nobody else had them lower than #4.
He voted Maryland #5, nobody else had them higher than #7.

I think this comes down to how you view the Badgers and Terps games against BYU and Temple respectively. This will all sort itself out very soon because over the next two weeks both of those teams travel to Ann Arbor.

Temple and BYU are both good but not great mid majors.
While Wisconsin's system is perfect for dominating the B1G West, I don't see them knocking off Texas.
They have some common opponents down the stretch, so we'll see how that shakes out.
If Wisconsin plays better against Michigan and Penn State than Maryland does, I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 02, 2018, 04:24:23 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 02, 2018, 01:31:00 PM

Temple and BYU are both good but not great mid majors.
While Wisconsin's system is perfect for dominating the B1G West, I don't see them knocking off Texas.
They have some common opponents down the stretch, so we'll see how that shakes out.
If Wisconsin plays better against Michigan and Penn State than Maryland does, I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.

I think you already know this, but in case you don't:
My post listing "non-contiguous votes" was not meant to say "@Brutus Buckeye is a moron, look at these stupid votes", I was just pointing out the biggest disagreements that we collectively have.
At this point I think that we are still waiting to see how good both Maryland and Wisconsin are. To a certain extent this is true of all teams at this point, but I think more strongly with those two. Their losses were REALLY bad. If we ranked them based solely on those performances we would be talking about which was #9 and which was #10ish. OTOH, their best wins (TX and IA) were REALLY good. If we ranked them solely on those performances they would be in the discussion with tOSU, PSU, and M for the top few spots. I don't think any ranking anywhere between those is "wrong".

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #36 on:** October 02, 2018, 07:25:25 PM »

Bill Connely's statistical profiles are now out. I figure putting them here is better than making a new thread. I also figure that the statheads (here's looking at medina) will be all about it:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ2e9xV7-ClihFVJ3kla0ZDxzFCQ7-WXvQRur-nK6gOzo333PqSetw52kEGgbXKb6viGZSbYuJugvRR/pubhtml#

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 04, 2018, 09:31:48 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on October 02, 2018, 07:25:25 PM

Bill Connely's statistical profiles are now out. I figure putting them here is better than making a new thread. I also figure that the statheads (here's looking at medina) will be all about it:

It was interesting, thank you for sharing.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 04, 2018, 09:42:47 AM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 02, 2018, 01:31:00 PM

Temple and BYU are both good but not great mid majors.
While Wisconsin's system is perfect for dominating the B1G West, I don't see them knocking off Texas.
They have some common opponents down the stretch, so we'll see how that shakes out.
If Wisconsin plays better against Michigan and Penn State than Maryland does, I'll adjust my rankings accordingly.

I think this Maryland/Wisconsin question is interesting. Over on the Stirring the Pot thread @SFBadger96 claims that Wisconsin is ranked and Maryland is not only due to reputation.
Wisconsin and Maryland will not play this year unless they both reach the B1GCG but they will have six common opponents. That information will become available as follows:

10/13, #4 Michigan: Both teams play in Ann Arbor, UMD on 10/6 and UW on 10/13
10/20, #6 Iowa: Both teams play in Iowa City, UW won there by 11 and UMD plays there on 10/20
10/27, #12 Illinois: Both teams host the Illini, UW on 10/20 and UMD on 10/27
11/3, #14 Rutgers: Both teams host the Scarlet Knights, UMD on 10/13 and UW on 11/17
11/24, #2 Penn State: Both teams play in Happy Valley, UW on 11/10 and UMD on 11/24
11/24, #11 Minnesota: Both teams host the Gophers, UMD won by 29, UW hosts them on 11/24

ELA · « **Reply #39 on:** October 04, 2018, 11:46:19 AM »

Massey composite rankings (86 rankings), with last week in parenthesis...

Alabama (1)
Georgia (2)
OHIO STATE (5)
LSU (7)
Clemson (4)
Notre Dame (9)
Oklahoma (6)
PENN STATE (3)
Washington (13)
Kentucky (15)
West Virginia (16)
Auburn (11)
MICHIGAN (14)
Stanford (8)
NC State (24)
Miami (17)
Central Florida (18)
WISCONSIN (10)
Oklahoma State (22)
Texas (21)
Florida (-)
Boise State (-)
MICHIGAN STATE (20)
Duke (12)
Syracuse (-)

28. Iowa (27)
45. Indiana (43)
47. Maryland (42)
53. Minnesota (57)
65. Purdue (69)
68. Northwestern (63)
91. Illinois (87)
108. Nebraska (103)
118. Rutgers (116)

ELA · « **Reply #40 on:** October 04, 2018, 11:47:06 AM »

Top 6 teams are each exactly 5 spots apart

LittlePig · « **Reply #41 on:** October 05, 2018, 09:21:14 AM »

Quote from: ELA on October 04, 2018, 11:47:06 AM

Top 6 teams are each exactly 5 spots apart

Lol, I originally read this as the top 6 teams in the Top 25 are 5 spots apart, and I was like duh.
Then I figured out what you really meant and I was like, that's pretty cool.

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