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medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 09, 2020, 11:58:17 AM »

Ohio State: This is the only obvious until #14.
Wisconsin: For two reasons: First, I think that, at full strength, they are second best. Second, I don't see any other team making a really strong case for #2.
Indiana: The Hoosiers win over Michigan was impressive, but I'm still not completely convinced.
Iowa: Despite their losses to #5 and #7 on this list, I think the Hawkeyes might be better.
Northwestern: The Wildcats season-opening win over UMD looks a LOT better now that UMD throttled PSU.
Penn State: Despite being 0-3, their performances aren't THAT bad.
Purdue: This may be lower than a lot of people rank the Boilermakers and part of that is a lack of data. Their two performances are the best against Iowa and the worst against Illinois. I'm not sure what to make of that.
Michigan: I realize that they just got shelled by the Hoosiers but Michigan can't actually be THAT bad can they?
Maryland: Their game against PSU was wildly impressive.
Nebraska: Despite their performance against tOSU being #3 in terms of final score, I thought they were more competitive against the Buckeyes than . . .
Rutgers: They are consistent. They were second best against each of their opponents.
Minnesota: Their season-opening home loss to Michigan looks worse each week.
Michigan State: Apparently the new coach will take longer than one game to get up to speed.
Illinois: At this point they are more clear at #14 then the Buckeyes are at #1.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 09, 2020, 12:31:35 PM »

@847badgerfan and @Brutus Buckeye :

In the interest of consistency and compatibility could you two please place Wisconsin into your rankings where you think they would be either:

At full strength, or
If they played with their COVID-depleted roster

Right now there are 11 voters. Nine of us voted Illinois #14 but you two voted them #13. The thing is that I don't think you two actually disagree with the rest of us. We all agree that Illinois is the worst team in the B1G. The difference is that while the other nine of us ranked 14 B1G teams, you two ranked the 13 B1G teams that are playing and omitted the Badgers. I get it, and there is a good argument for your way, but it would be more difficult to get nine people to change their rankings than it would be to get the two of you to change yours so please match the group and rank all 14.

On this issue going forward:
IMHO, if Wisconsin doesn't play this week, we should all leave them off. OTOH, if they DO play this week then they are back and should be eligible for the B1GCG so we should all include them.

TyphonInc · « **Reply #16 on:** November 09, 2020, 12:54:39 PM »

1. Ohio State (0) - until someone beats them.
2. Wisconsin (0) - until someone or covid beats them.

3. Indiana (0) - I had them here last week, didn't expect them to manhandle TTUN, but thought they have a better than average chance to win the game.
4. Northwestern (+1) - I only watched a quarter of the game, and Nebraska looked better, but purple got the win.
5. Purdue (+2) - others lost
6. Maryland (+4) - I try to only move a team 3 spots to prevent a 1 game over reaction, but 2020.
7. Penn State (-3) - umm, I kinda still expect them to win out.
8. Nebraska (+1) - I thought they could beat Northwestern, 6 Red Zone trips sounds like Huskers can move the ball just not punch it in (Or Wildcats just locked down the Red Zone.)
9. Michigan (-1) - Windiana. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
10. Iowa (+1)
11. Michigan State (-4) way to make pedestrian Iowa look like a playoff contender.
12. Minnesota (+1) - more so because I don't want to knock MSU down too far versus I actually think MSU is better.
13. Rutgers (-1)
14. Illinois (0)

847badgerfan · « **Reply #17 on:** November 09, 2020, 12:59:00 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 09, 2020, 12:31:35 PM

@847badgerfan and @Brutus Buckeye :

In the interest of consistency and compatibility could you two please place Wisconsin into your rankings where you think they would be either:

At full strength, or
If they played with their COVID-depleted roster

Right now there are 11 voters. Nine of us voted Illinois #14 but you two voted them #13. The thing is that I don't think you two actually disagree with the rest of us. We all agree that Illinois is the worst team in the B1G. The difference is that while the other nine of us ranked 14 B1G teams, you two ranked the 13 B1G teams that are playing and omitted the Badgers. I get it, and there is a good argument for your way, but it would be more difficult to get nine people to change their rankings than it would be to get the two of you to change yours so please match the group and rank all 14.

On this issue going forward:
IMHO, if Wisconsin doesn't play this week, we should all leave them off. OTOH, if they DO play this week then they are back and should be eligible for the B1GCG so we should all include them.

OK, so they are playing this week.

Stick them in where I puked in my mouth, for now.

Benthere2 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 09, 2020, 01:32:48 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 09, 2020, 12:31:35 PM

@847badgerfan and @Brutus Buckeye :

In the interest of consistency and compatibility could you two please place Wisconsin into your rankings where you think they would be either:

At full strength, or
If they played with their COVID-depleted roster

Right now there are 11 voters. Nine of us voted Illinois #14 but you two voted them #13. The thing is that I don't think you two actually disagree with the rest of us. We all agree that Illinois is the worst team in the B1G. The difference is that while the other nine of us ranked 14 B1G teams, you two ranked the 13 B1G teams that are playing and omitted the Badgers. I get it, and there is a good argument for your way, but it would be more difficult to get nine people to change their rankings than it would be to get the two of you to change yours so please match the group and rank all 14.

On this issue going forward:
IMHO, if Wisconsin doesn't play this week, we should all leave them off. OTOH, if they DO play this week then they are back and should be eligible for the B1GCG so we should all include them.

should everyone be ranked as if they were at full strength or as they are with COVID cases and opt outs?

I can say that Illinois is not as bad a squad at full strength and so on but we treat Illinois differently that other teams?

lack of knowledge as to who is out with COVID vs injury has been hard on each squad for depth and forced into starting roles

TyphonInc · « **Reply #19 on:** November 09, 2020, 01:46:13 PM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on November 08, 2020, 09:42:57 PM

SP+

14. Rutgers (107)

SP+ is still poo-pooing on Rutgers.

JerseyTerrapin · « **Reply #20 on:** November 09, 2020, 02:33:23 PM »

1) Ohio State
2) Indiana

3) Northwestern
4) Wisconsin
5) Purdue
6) Iowa
7) Michigan
8) Maryland
9) Rutgers
10) Michigan State
11) Minnesota
12) Nebraska
13) Penn State
14) Illinois

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #21 on:** November 09, 2020, 03:16:57 PM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 09, 2020, 11:42:55 AM

Trying something a little different because the middle is such a jumbled mess:

Here is how each team has done in their games so far compared to the other teams that played those same opponents:
Notes:

I'm just using raw score except that I consider an OT game to be closer than a game decided in regulation.
Other than the exception for OT, each team's opponents are ranked based on how those opponents did against that team relative to each other.
I've left Illinois' game against Wisconsin off of the list because it tells us nothing since it is both the best and the worst performance against Wisconsin so far this year.
For the two teams each that have played PU and UNL, I ranked them #1 and #3 to be consistent with the other rankings since they only have two opponents instead of three (ie, the best is #1 and the worst is #3).

Example, against Ohio State:
PSU is #1, having only lost to the Buckeyes by 13
Rutgers is #3, having lost to the Buckeyes by 22
Nebraska is #3, having lost to the Buckeyes by 35

Teams by the average on this scale:

Average of #1:
Wisconsin: I'm basically ignoring this since it is only one game.
Iowa: This is somewhat surprising since the Hawkeyes are just 1-2, but all three games are the best any team has done against that opponent so far this year.
Average of 1.33:
Ohio State: The Buckeyes were #1 against RU and UNL and #2 (behind UMD) against PSU.
Average of 1.67:
Penn State: Despite being 0-3, Penn State's performances other than against UMD were #1 so far this year.
Average of #2:
Indiana: The Hoosiers were #1 against Michigan, #2 against Rutgers, and #3 against PSU.
Northwestern: The Wildcats were #1 against UMD, #2 against Iowa, and #3 against UNL.
Purdue: The Boilermakers were #1 against Iowa and #3 against Illinois.
Rutgers: The Scarlet Knights were #2 against all three of their opponents (tOSU, IU, and MSU).
Maryland: The Terps were #1 against PSU, #2 against MN, and #3 against NU.
Average of 2.33:
Michigan: The Wolverines were #1 against MN, and #3 against the Hoosiers and Spartans.
Minnesota: The Gophers were #2 against UMD and IL and #3 against Michigan.
Average of 2.5:
Nebraska: The Cornhuskers were #2 against NU and #3 against tOSU.
Average of 2.67:
Michigan State: The Spartans were #2 against M and #3 against IA and RU.
Average of #3:
Illinois: The Illini have the worst performance of the year against both the Boilermakers and the Gophers.

These are NOT my rankings. I'm just using this as a tool to evaluate each team's performances.

Things that jump out at me:
Iowa's average of #1 is impressive. They are 1-2 but they are also two plays from 3-0 and so far no team has done better against any of Iowa's opponents.
Penn State's average of 1.67 is interesting. Their season-opening loss to Indiana is looking better each week and there is no shame in losing to Ohio State by 13 but I don't know what to make of that loss to Maryland. The worst part is that it wasn't even as close as the final score made it look. Penn State "only" lost by 16 but they were down by 28 in the fourth quarter before making it look a little better with a couple of late TD's.
Illinois' average of #3 confirms that they are just awful.

Love this idea, but it's a little too noisy because of the lack of data points.

Any chance you're going to update this week to week?

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #22 on:** November 09, 2020, 03:20:27 PM »

Unfortunately, with the gorgeous weather we had this weekend, I didn't watch ANY of the daytime games as I was outside taking advantage of the weather and getting the house ready for winter. So my sense of how things played out is somewhat, incomplete. I did manage to catch a little of the Maryland/PSU debacle, and saw a few plays of MSU getting mauled by Iowa while eating some lunch, but I only saw highlights from the rest of the games.

1. Ohio State - As someone mentioned early, still have not gotten their run game going. Trying to run Teague on slow developing plays on the edge is not a recipe for success for the run game. And Try Sermon has shown some ability but is easily tripped up and brought down. That goes for Teague as well. Neither seem to be able to break arm tackles.
2. Wisconsin - I still believe they are the 2nd best team in the B1G. Just hope to see it on the field sooner than later.
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3. Indiana - Of the next group of teams, Indiana seems to rise to the top. They seemed to have handled Mich well and are undefeated. Is Penix the real deal? We shall find out
4. Northwestern - Still play good defense. I really thought the offense would be more consistent with Ramsey at QB, but I also hear their Bowser did not play? That would definitely hurt them on offense as I believe that he is one of the better RB's in the conf.
5. Iowa - It looks like the Hawks came to play sat. This is the team I thought we would see all year.
6. Purdue - I know they beat Iowa head to head, but I don't think they could do it consistently. But having a good year.
7. Maryland - We'll see how far they have come this Saturday. There QB with more vowels in his name that I can pronounce, seems to be the answer to what they have been missing offensively. This could be a scary team.
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8. Michigan - Best of the rest?
9. Nebraska - I am tempted to move them ahead of Mich, but I honestly believe that Mich would beat them H2H on a neutral field.
10. Penn State - Is it just me or does this team look like it just quit? I know that someone mentioned earlier that they have let OSU beat them 3 times. That just may be the case. Let's see if Franklin is worth the money they pay him and get this team to show up for the rest of the season.
11. Rutgers - Showed that they will play until the end of the game. That's a move in the right direction for Schiano.
12. Minnesota - Slightly better than the teams below them.
13. Michigan State - Have the win over Mich, but not much else. They were thoroughly whipped by Iowa.
14. Illinois - Illinois is trying and succeeding to out Rutgers, Rutgers.

Abba · « **Reply #23 on:** November 09, 2020, 03:45:19 PM »

Bowser is kind of a strange case. Would be interested to hear from NU fans (if there are any on here anymore). He was great in 2018, but then had a pretty bad year last year. I assume there must've been some injuries involved. At this point, I think he has fallen back on the depth chart.

HawkFrenzy · « **Reply #24 on:** November 09, 2020, 03:49:34 PM »

OK, I will give it a shot. My rankings are based on non-covid plans.

1. OSU until proven otherwise. Only they can struggle for a half and still win by 20+
2. Wisconsin even if they don't play because I would put them here on a bye week also
3. IU they have always been just short of being a solid team, I think they found that extra step
4. Northwestern - defense will keep them in most games while Ramsey gets more comfortable in the offense
5. Purdue - Had a lot of help week one but I think the extra "bye" week will help
6. Maryland - Obviously they can score big. I still question their defense and we have seen this story before of them starting strong
7. Iowa - Definitely missed the OOC tune-ups but was the win over MSU the real team or is it just the fluky dominating win they seem to have every year. Going with the latter
8. Minn - early loss to UM is looking worse each week and not confident with a dominate win over #14. We will see this week
9. Nebraska - Had their chances but blew it. Iowa was the same way against Northwestern so maybe it's Northwestern's defense
10. MSU - I am not going to discount them too bad for a loss at Iowa after being drained emotionally the week prior.
11. Michigan - this just seems weird
12. Rutgers - Schiano is definitely doing something there. Team is playing with passion, just wait until he gets more talent.
13. PSU - until they get the OL figured out, they will stay towards the bottom
14. Illinois - easy choice and possibly the easiest one

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 09, 2020, 03:51:44 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 09, 2020, 12:59:00 PM

OK, so they are playing this week.

Stick them in where I puked in my mouth, for now.

Thank you. I stuck your Badgers in at #5 and moved everybody below that down a spot.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #26 on:** November 09, 2020, 03:52:55 PM »

Quote from: Benthere2 on November 09, 2020, 01:32:48 PM

should everyone be ranked as if they were at full strength or as they are with COVID cases and opt outs?

I can say that Illinois is not as bad a squad at full strength and so on but we treat Illinois differently that other teams?

lack of knowledge as to who is out with COVID vs injury has been hard on each squad for depth and forced into starting roles

I honestly don't know and I think it varies case-by-case. For one thing, we usually say "on a neutral field tomorrow" so at least in theory if a star QB is out and will be out tomorrow, rank them without him. I don't know.

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 09, 2020, 03:58:18 PM »

1) Ohio State: this should really just be a power ranking of the remaining 12 or 13, depending on Wisconsin's health.
Competent:
2) Indiana: holy cow! How in tarnation is this possible. Wins, including two (tarnished) Helmets.
3) Northwestern: winning matters.
4) Purdue: ditto (wins don't look as *quality* as Northwestern's).
5) Iowa: two losses, but to teams ahead of it; pretty good whupping of Sparty.
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[DQ]
6) Wisconsin: if this team returns to play, it should be ok, but depends a lot on the personnel available, and the Badgers will have to knock off a lot of rust in a hurry. This is as good a place holder position as any.
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Incompentent:
7) Maryland: that was a quality win for the Big East division of the Big Ten.
8) Michigan: someone has to go here--at least it has a win.
9) Rutgers: HOW CAN THIS BE?!?!? Because it beat MSU, I suppose.
10) MSU: getting curb-stomped at Iowa kinda knocked the bloom off the rose, and reminded everyone about the loss to Rutgers.
11) Minnesota: has a win.
12) Penn State: worse than 0-3, this team was down 35-7 to Maryland. MARYLAND!!!!!!
13) Nebraska: fleeting signs of a pulse.
14) Illinois: ooph; this team sucks.

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