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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2

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847badgerfan

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2018, 05:11:54 PM »
If anyone can handle a spreadsheet related curve ball, it's Medina.
Yeah, no shit. It's just a matter of respecting the guy's time, in my mind. He does us all a favor, ya know?
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2018, 05:54:24 PM »
Interesting that there is no real consensus on Indiana,  with rankings all the way from #4 to #12, which is a range of 8.

No other team has a range bigger than 5.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2018, 05:58:31 PM »
B1G-E compared to B1G-W:
  • East 1.12, West 1.94:  East by 0.82
  • East 2.94, West 5.53:  East by 2.59
  • East 4.65, West 9.59:  East by 4.94
  • East 5.35, West 9.65:  East by 4.30
  • East 6.76, West 9.88:  East by 3.12
  • East 8.88, West 12.35:  East by 3.47
  • East 13.24, West 13.29:  East by 0.05

Obviously a lot will change over the course of the season but at present we appear to believe that the East is substantially stronger, particularly in the middle where the East's third, fourth, and fifth best teams (M, MSU, UMD) are ranked far ahead of the West's third, fourth, and fifth best teams (MN, UNL, NU).  
Purdue and NW tanking this week will do that.  Both were ranked much higher before last week.  If those 2 can recover and get back to pre-season expectations,  the west might not look so bad.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2018, 06:06:15 PM »
Interesting that there is no real consensus on Indiana,  with rankings all the way from #4 to #12, which is a range of 8.

No other team has a range bigger than 5.
Just to clarify, Indiana's #4 vote is an extreme outlier.  They have:
  • one vote for #4
  • nine votes for #8
  • three votes for #9
  • three votes for #10
  • two votes for #11
  • one vote for #12
The only other team with non-contiguous votes is Purdue which has:
  • one vote for #9
  • one vote for #10
  • nine votes for #12
  • six votes for #13
  • two votes for #14
Note that Purdue has no votes for #11 but the gap for Indiana is MUCH bigger.  They have no votes for #5, #6, or #7.  

FWIW: I'm not saying that @Hawkinole is wrong with his #4 vote for Indiana.  The Hoosiers are 2-0 and could be that good.  However, I don't think so and no other voter thinks so either.  The rest of us all have them #8 - #12.  Also, he did state in his ranking that he felt that #4 through #7 were all about the same and a #7 vote wouldn't have been nearly such an outlier.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #60 on: September 11, 2018, 06:26:45 PM »
Illinois was 0-3 against the East last year (0-6 against the West)
Iowa was 1-2 (4-2)
Minnesota was 0-3 (2-4)
Nebraska was 1-2 (2-4)
Northwestern was 2-1 (5-1)
Purdue was 1-2 (3-3)
Wisconsin was 3-0 (6-0)

Only NU and UW had a winning record against the East, so yeah, there is work to be done. Looking at you, Nebraska, and you, Iowa, in particular. Although Iowa did have that 1 win against the East that probably kept the B1G out of the playoff last year...

The divisions look fairly even at the very top, although OSU is considered elite and UW is not. From there, I'd say it's still fairly even at the #2/3 spots (Iowa and NU in the West, PSU and MSU in the East). From there it kinda gets REALLY ugly though, until you get down to the very bottom (UI and RU) of each division. Those are mid-level MAC teams, at best.
Well, Iowa did play the top 3 teams in the East last year. Won one, and lost another on the last play of the game.
FTR, UW also posted a losing record vs teams in the East Top 3 (0-1) in 2017.

Additionally, looking back just one year further, UW posted a losing record vs the East (1-2), including 0-2 vs teams in the Top 3.

Perhaps instead of looking around, we should all look inward.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #61 on: September 11, 2018, 09:10:52 PM »
I prefer to look forward rather than backward.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2018, 09:35:06 PM »
Yeah, no shit. It's just a matter of respecting the guy's time, in my mind. He does us all a favor, ya know?
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Plus basketball season, which teams only play once and where that game will take place, projecting wins and losses based on his tier system, the Big Ten Tourney tie breakers, what needs to happen in order for two teams to wind up on the same branch of the bracket, and so forth. 
I don't know if he memorizes all that stuff, or programs it all into a series of spreadsheets. Either way, amazing talent. Thanks again for sharing it with us. 
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #63 on: September 11, 2018, 10:31:15 PM »
I prefer to look forward rather than backward.
By referencing last year?

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #64 on: September 11, 2018, 10:44:55 PM »
I prefer to look forward rather than backward.
Not to pick nits, but 2017 and 2016 both require a glance backward

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #65 on: September 11, 2018, 10:48:36 PM »
Mega-tangential sidelight about that "looking backward" thing:

Though its a common western theme to treat our relationship with the past/present/future as if we are standing in the present, looking at the future, with our backs to the pasts, which is consistent with the arrow of time, many cultures use the opposite metaphor - that because they have access to the past but cannot see the future, it's more appropriate to think of themselves as walking backwards into the future, staring at the past.

This is neat to me.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2018, 12:00:52 AM »


FWIW: I'm not saying that @Hawkinole is wrong with his #4 vote for Indiana.  The Hoosiers are 2-0 and could be that good.  However, I don't think so and no other voter thinks so either.  The rest of us all have them #8 - #12.  Also, he did state in his ranking that he felt that #4 through #7 were all about the same and a #7 vote wouldn't have been nearly such an outlier.  
I think I'll have fun with Indiana at least one more week, as they have Ball State, which gave ND a good game Saturday. Indiana is as good as 2-0. I am rewarding good performance. Indiana defeated two FBS teams. Both were 2017 bowl teams.  

Hoosier fans will argue after this coming Saturday that Indiana should be state champion, provided they dispatch Purdue.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2018, 12:29:22 AM »
Occasionally I view Jeff Sagarin's rankings. https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

He has Ohio State 2nd, and right on Alabama's heels.

Big Ten teams follow:


2  Ohio State
5  Penn State
8  Wisconsin
12  Michigan (He can't see my wisdom in Big Ten #4 Indiana)
14  Iowa
21  Michigan State
40  Maryland
43  Northwestern
46  Minnesota
53  Nebraska
63  Indiana
71  Purdue
93  Illinois
107  Rutgers


Others of interest (to me):

23  Notre Dame
29  North Dakota State (They beat FBS team #178 Cal Poly, hmm.)
33  Florida State

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2018, 07:21:13 AM »
Not to pick nits, but 2017 and 2016 both require a glance backward
Looking forward always requires historical knowledge.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 2
« Reply #69 on: September 12, 2018, 09:00:46 AM »
This conversation leaves me looking askance at all of you. 

 

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