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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14

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Benthere2

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2019, 10:22:21 AM »
1 OSU
2 Wisconsin
3 Minnesota
4 PSU
5 Iowa
6 Michigan
7 Illinois
8 Indiana
9 MSU
10 Purdue
11 NW
12 Nebraska
13 MD
14 Rutgers 

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2019, 11:04:53 AM »
1 Ohio St
2 Wisconsin
3 Penn St
4 Michigan 
5 Iowa
6 Minnesota 
7 Illinois
8 Indiana
9 Michigan St
10 Purdue
11 Northwestern 
12 Nebraska
13 Maryland 
14 Rutgers 
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2019, 12:23:59 PM »
1) Ohio State: and it isn't that close.
2) Wisconsin: two blowout wins against the top six, and a third over rival Iowa: more than anyone other than Ohio State; loss to Illinois still really stings.
3) Penn State: moved down because Wisconsin put the hurt on Minnesota and Michigan.
4) Michigan: Ohio State is really good, huh?
5) Iowa: If only Michigan had been at home (see below)
6) Minnesota: tough call, but Minnesota's case to be higher is a one-score win over Penn State at home (see post below).
7) Indiana: wins matter.
8) Illinois? Even with the terrible loss, the Illini have a better win than anyone below, and a decent record.
9) Michigan State: even with the mediocre win, who gets promoted ahead of them?
10) Purdue: of the bottom dwellers, this team showed moments of real promise.
11) Northwestern: solid win. Too bad it was only the 3rd, and first in conference.
12) Nebraska: made Iowa work for it. But lost.
13) Maryland: upset bid fell short, and only conference win was against a historically bad team.
14) State University of Doesn't Play Football. This team beat UMass and Liberty. I mean, come on...
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2019, 12:50:15 PM »
2-6 remain pretty interesting.

Wisconsin: still has the worst loss of the group, but has two blowout wins, including one on the road, against 2-6, plus beating Iowa to go 3-0 against 2-6. I think Wisconsin is the pretty easy #2 here. Blowout loss at Ohio State after getting to 10-7 in the 3rd quarter...then things snowballed.

Penn State's case for #3? Beat Iowa on the road and Michigan, and lost by a single score at Minnesota (2-1 against 2-6); and gave Ohio State a mild start in the 3rd quarter thanks to a couple of turnovers. Interesting that at 21-0, Ohio State was cruising to another blowout, then two quick turnovers, and bam, PSU gets credit for a close game against the Buckeyes.

Michigan's case: Notre Dame. And a 1-score win against a good Iowa team. Poor Iowa. Blowout losses to Wisconsin and Ohio State (no shame there--unless you are a Michigan fan), and a loss to Penn State, so 1-2 against the 2-6.

Minnesota's Case: Penn State (at home). One-score loss to Iowa, and a blowout loss to Wisconsin at home. Ouch. Tense game in the 3rd quarter turned into a rout. 1-2 vs. 2-6. Soft schedule (though credit where it is due, they worked over their weak B1G competition...hear that Wisconsin?).

Iowa: one-score losers, again, and again, and again, and...hey--a one-score win against Minnesota! They don't score a lot, but they find a way to win against teams not in the 2-6... (1-3). No blowout losses.

All of this has me re-shaping 2-6: and moving Minnesota all the way down. And Iowa/Michigan ends up the toughest call for me. Iowa's problem is the lack of a really good win and the head-to-head loss (to be fair, on the road--different result in Iowa City?), but Michigan's blowout loss in Madison is hard to ignore (Iowa was a two-point conversion away from maybe going to OT). Other than the helmet, what tells us Michigan is better? Coming on strong late against a weak schedule? No, but Notre Dame is pretty good, and the Wolverines took it to the wood shed.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2019, 03:30:17 PM »

  • OHIO STATE (1) - nothing left to say
  • WISCONSIN (4) - midseason hiccup aside, dominated Michigan and Minnesota
  • PENN STATE (2) - ho hum finale
  • MICHIGAN (3) - probably the easiest one, lost to all 3 above them, 2 convincingly, beating everyone below them, all but Iowa convincingly
  • IOWA (6) - probably the best Big Ten game of the weekend kicked things off
  • MINNESOTA (5) - UM getting thumped by their rival pushed Minnesota faring the same down the list of things people actually noticed
  • MICHIGAN STATE (8) - ugly win over a team they should have beat by more...
  • INDIANA (9) - ugly win over a team they should have beat by more, but...
  • ILLINOIS (7) - a win is a win, and not just losing, but losing big to Northwestern might be the worst loss of this Big Ten season
  • NEBRASKA (10) - that is a game Nebraska simply had to figure out a way to win
  • PURDUE (11) - got way down against a rival, with a backup quarterback, but showed a ton of moxie to claw back into it
  • NORTHWESTERN (12) - nice win, but too little, too late
  • MARYLAND (13) - the fact that they hadn't given up is a good sign, but the offense is still far too reliant on big plays
  • RUTGERS (14)






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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2019, 10:29:52 AM »
I have done this the last few weeks, here is a ranking based on each team's average relative performance against the nine B1G teams that they played as compared to the other eight B1G teams that played that same team:



  • 1.61 Ohio State
  • tie 3.11 Michigan
  • tie 3.11 Penn State
  • tie 3.11 Wisconsin
  • 3.83 Minnesota
  • 4.00 Iowa
  • 5.33 Indiana
  • 5.78 Illinois
  • 5.83 Nebraska
  • 6.11 Michigan State
  • 6.33 Northwestern
  • 6.39 Purdue
  • 7.33 Maryland
  • 8.11 Rutgers

Now if we eliminate each team's best and worst relative performance here is the ranking:
  • 1.43 Ohio State
  • 2.57 Penn State
  • 2.93 Michigan
  • 3.00 Wisconsin
  • 3.64 Minnesota
  • 4.00 Iowa
  • 5.57 Indiana
  • 5.86 Illinois
  • 5.93 Nebraska
  • 6.29 Michigan State
  • 6.50 Purdue
  • 6.71 Northwestern
  • 7.86 Maryland
  • 8.43 Rutgers

It is interesting that Michigan does a lot better here than in most rankings.  The other interesting thing is the enormous gap between the two newbies and everybody else.  Note that Rutgers' two best relative performances were being 5th best against Ohio State and 6th best against Penn State.  It is pretty clear that in those cases the Buckeyes and Nittany Lions simply didn't see any need to grind the Scarlet Knights into the dust.  Other than that Rutgers had the worst relative performance or second worst relative performance against their other seven opponents.  


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2019, 10:58:20 AM »
1 Buckeyes
2 Badgers
3 Nittany Lions
4 Wolverines
5 Hawkeyes
6 Golden Gophers
7 Hoosiers
8 Illini
9 Spartans
10 Boilermakers
11 Wildcats
12 Cornhuskers
13 Terrapins
14 Scarlet Knights
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2019, 06:11:49 PM »
12) Maryland
13) Northwestern 
What are you seeing that I am completely missing to justify Maryland over Northwestern?

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2019, 06:15:12 PM »
12. Maryland
13. Northwestern
Same question?

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2019, 06:24:51 PM »
perhaps they missed the Cat's last game?
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2019, 07:03:22 PM »
What are you seeing that I am completely missing to justify Maryland over Northwestern?
I don't understand the outrage.

  • They're both 3-9
  • Northwestern holds 1 win against a .500 team
  • Maryland holds 1 win against a "ranked" team that turned out 5-7
  • Maryland played a slightly more difficult schedule
  • Most computer models I looked at have them both between 90 and 105. Massey composite has NU (94), Maryland (102)

They're basically T-12 in my mind

Additionally, I'm not sure how much thought gets put into rankings after 5-6.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2019, 11:03:55 PM »
What are you seeing that I am completely missing to justify Maryland over Northwestern?
apathy 

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2019, 09:27:16 AM »
Posted by Fearless, in the week 13 board, this morning. I think he meant to put it here.
Got it, and I corrected his misnumbering as well.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 14
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2019, 09:30:07 AM »
11. Nebraska
13. Northwestern
12. Maryland
14. Rutgers
Hawk, did you intend your vote to be the numbers you used:
  • 11 Nebraska
  • 12 Maryland
  • 13 Northwestern
  • 14 Rutgers
Or the order you used:
  • 11 Nebraska
  • 12 Northwestern
  • 13 Maryland
  • 14 Rutgers
?


 

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