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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13

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LittlePig

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2019, 04:14:41 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 24, 2019, 11:02:06 AM
1.  OSU  (LSU)

2-5  PSU Michigan Wisconsin Minnesota  could all beat each other about half the time I think  (Bama, UGA, Auburn, UF)

6-8  The three Is, able to give the 2-5s a fight  (Tenn, A&M, MSU)

9-11 Not very good  (Mizzou, Ole MIss, USCe)

12-14 Remarkably bad, but better than Arkansas (Vandy, Arky, UK)
I get the sense you are trying to communicate that the SEC and Big Ten are similar,  but I am not sure if I am completing following what you are trying say.  Maybe if you actually listed the Big Ten teams you think are in each group, it would be easier to follow.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2019, 06:34:17 PM »
1) Ohio State: not as dominant as I expected.
2) Penn State: expected loss; played reasonably well.
3) Minnesota: this weekend is huge.
4) Wisconsin: defense has to be better to beat Minnesota.
5) Michigan: upset minded.
6) Iowa: clearly.
7) ? Indiana, I guess: expected loss.
8) Illinois: expected loss.
9) Michigan State: everyone beats Rutgers.
10) Purdue: hung in there against the Badgers.
11) Northwestern: hung in there against Minnesota.
12) Nebraska: wow, Maryland sucks.
13) Maryland: wow, Maryland sucks.
14) State University of Doesn't Play Football.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2019, 08:18:38 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on November 24, 2019, 04:14:41 PM
I get the sense you are trying to communicate that the SEC and Big Ten are similar,  but I am not sure if I am completing following what you are trying say.  Maybe if you actually listed the Big Ten teams you think are in each group, it would be easier to follow.
B1G > SEC

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2019, 07:05:34 AM »
1. Ohio State
2. Minnesota
3. Penn State
4. Wisconsin
5. Michigan
6. Iowa
7. Indiana
8. Illinois
9. Purdue
10. Nebraska
11, Michigan State
12. Maryland
13. Northwestern
14. Rutgers
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2019, 08:10:16 AM »
1. Ohio State - Some untimely fumbles made this a lot closer than it should have been. But turnovers are part of the game. They need to get those cleaned up before The Game!
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2. Minnesota - We'll find out Sat if they belong here. 
3. Penn State - Played well, just didn't have the horses to pull it off.
4. Wisconsin - Gave up some yards to Purdue early, but the outcome was never in doubt. 
5. Michigan - Good showing against IU. Now comes their test. 
6. Iowa - Good win at home. 
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7. Indiana - Best of the rest
8. Illinois - Definitely a much improved team. 
9. Purdue - Really, not a bad season considering all of the injuries this year. Their freshmen are getting a ton of experience early and should help them in the next couple of seasons.
10. Michigan State - Did what they should against Rutgers. 
11. Nebraska - Took out some of their frustrations against MD.
12. Northwestern - Actually showed some offense, that's an improvement. 
13. Maryland - Just mailing it in now.
14. Rutgers - Still being Rutgers.

Like everyone else, I am having a hard time sorting 2-6. But this looks as good an order as I can come up with. This weekend will help with Wis and Minn. 
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2019, 09:46:28 AM »
1.  Ohio State
2.  Minnesota
3.  Penn State
4.  Wisconsin
5.  Michigan
6.  Iowa
7.  Illinois
8.  Indiana
9.  Michigan State
10.  Purdue
11.  Nebraska
12.  Maryland
13.  Rutgers 
14.  Northwestern
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2019, 10:15:23 AM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on November 25, 2019, 08:10:16 AM

13. Maryland - Just mailing it in now.



"Our goal was to try to make them quit, and I think we did a good job at that," quarterback Josh Jackson said after the Terrapins rolled to a surprisingly easy 63-20 victory. (Edit to give source: from ESPN Recap)

This was after the Syracuse thumping. How ironic.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2019, 11:32:53 AM »
Rankings based on comparative average performance against the eight B1G teams that each B1G team has played:

  • 1.69 Ohio State:  Best against PSU, UW, IU, UNL, and NU.  Second best against UMD.  Third best against MSU.  Tied for 3rd/4th against RU.  
  • 2.13 Penn State:  Best against tOSU, PU, and UMD.  Second best against MN, M, and IA.  Fourth best against IU and MSU.  
  • 3.00 Tie Wisconsin:  Best against M and MSU.  Second best against PU.  Third best against tOSU, IA, and UNL.  Fifth best against ILL.  Sixth best against NU.  
  • 3.00 Tie Michigan:  Best against IA and RU.  Second best against IU, IL, and MSU.  Tied for 4th/5th against PSU.  Fifth best against UMD.  Tied for 6th/7th against UW.  
  • 3.19 Minnesota:  Best against Illinois.  Second best against PSU and UNL.  Tied for 3rd/4th against RU.  Fourth best against IA, PU, and UMD.  Fifth best against NU.  
  • 3.50 Iowa:  Best against MN.  Third best against PSU, UW, M, and IL.  Fourth best against NU.  Fifth best against PU.  Sixth best against RU.  
  • 4.88 Tie Indiana:  Second best against NU.  Fourth best against UNL.  Tied for 4th/5th against PSU.  Fifth best against M and RU.  Tied for 5th/6th against tOSU.  Sixth best against MSU.  Seventh best against UMD.  
  • 4.88 Tie Illinois:  Second best against UW.  Third best against PU.  Fourth best against M.  Fifth best against MN and MSU.  Sixth best against IA.  Seventh best against UNL and RU.  
  • 5.38 Michigan State:  Second best against tOSU.  Third best against IU and NU.  Sixth best against PSU and ILL.  Seventh best against M.  Worst against UW and RU.  
  • 5.44 Nebraska:  Third best against UMD.  Fourth best against Illinois.  Fifth best against UW.  Tied for 5th/6th against tOSU.  Sixth best against MN and IU.  Seventh best against PU and NU.  
  • 5.94 Purdue:  Third best against MN.  Fifth best against IA and UNL.  Sixth best against RU.  Tied for 6th/7th against UW.  Seventh best against PSU and ILL.  Worst against NU.  
  • 6.00 Northwestern:  Fourth best against MN and UW.  Sixth best against PU and UNL.  Seventh best against tOSU, IA, IU, and MSU.  
  • 6.63 Maryland:  Second best against RU.  Fifth best against IU.  Sixth best against M.  Worst against tOSU, MN, PSU, UNL, and NU.  
  • 7.38 Rutgers:  Fourth best against tOSU.  Seventh best against MN.  Worst against M, IA, IU, ILL, MSU, and UMD.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2019, 09:09:33 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 24, 2019, 10:56:02 AM
7. Indiana
9. Illinois
10. MSU
10. Purdue
I read this as:
  • 7 Indiana
  • 8 Illinois
  • 9 Michigan State
  • 10 Purdue


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2019, 09:30:08 AM »
A closer look at some of the more hotly disputed slots:

First Maryland/Northwestern for 12th/13th:

  • Both lost to tOSU: UMD by 59, NU by 49:  Advantage NU
  • Both lost to MN:  UMD by 42, NU by 16:  Advantage NU
  • Both lost to IU:  UMD by 6, NU by 31:  Advantage UMD
  • Both lost to PU:  UMD by 26, NU by 2:  Advantage NU
  • Both lost to UNL:  UMD by 47, NU by 3:  Advantage NU

I don't even see this as being close.  Both are obviously bad teams, but Northwestern has been competitive for the most part while UMD just hasn't.  As I see it, NU is substantially better.  Question to you guys who have UMD ranked ahead of NU:  What are you seeing to justify that?
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2019, 09:30:21 AM »

Second Indiana/Illinois for 7th/8th:
  • Both lost to M:  IU by 25, IL by 17:  Advantage IL
  • Both played MSU:  IU lost by 9, IL won by 3:  Advantage IL
  • Both played UNL:  IU won by 7, IL lost by 4:  Advantage IU
  • Both beat RU:  IU by 35, IL by 28:  Advantage IU

I see this one is being REALLY close.  There will be two more common opponents after this weekend:
  • Indiana travels to Purdue where Illinois won by 18 and
  • Illinois hosts Northwestern, a home game that IU won by 31

In their other three games each, IU played pretty much as expected against tOSU, better than expected against PSU, and worse than expected against UMD.  Illinois played pretty much as expected against MN and IA but they have that great win over Wisconsin.  

In my rankings I'll give it to IL this week based on their win over Wisconsin.  
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2019, 09:51:21 AM »
Finally, the 2-5 conundrum.  So far there are 15 voters and 2-5 are all within 0.5:

  • 3.40 Minnesota, range of 2-6
  • 3.47 Wisconsin, range of 2-5
  • 3.47 Penn State, range of 2-5
  • 3.87 Michigan, range of 2-6

In all the years I have been doing this compilation I don't think there have ever been four teams that close this late in the season.  

It is close for a reason.  In games against each other, the home team has won by one score with the exception of Wisconsin's big win over Michigan.  

Only two have played #1 (PSU, UW).  Both lost in Columbus, PSU was closer than UW*.  

All four have won all games against everybody else in the conference except:
  • Minnesota lost by one score at Iowa
  • Wisconsin lost by one score at Illinois.  

That is just really tough to sort out.  

*Wisconsin and Penn State vs Ohio State:
Looking at final scores, the Badgers lost by 31 while the Nittany Lions only lost by 11.  Actually watching the games, they felt completely different:

The tOSU/Wisconsin game felt like a close game for most of the first three quarters.  Ohio State led by only 10 at the half, by only a FG early in the third quarter and by only 10 until late in the third quarter.  Then it turned into a blowout with Ohio State scoring 21 points in the last 22 minutes to turn a competitive 10 point game into a 31 point wipe out.  

The tOSU/PSU game felt like a blowout early.  The Buckeyes led 14-0 at the half (bigger than the lead over UW) and 21-0 early in the third quarter (again bigger than at the same time against UW).  Then PSU scored 17 points in a four minutes to turn what looked like it was shaping up to be a complete blowout into a competitive four point game.  After that Ohio State scored the final TD to achieve the 11 point final margin.  

As I see it:
  • Wisconsin has the best win (blowout over M) but also the worst loss (at IL).  Those kinda cancel each other out IMHO.  
  • The next best win is probably PSU's road win at Iowa.  
  • The next worst loss is Michigan's blowout loss to UW.  

Thus, I think the order for 2-5 should be:
  • 2 PSU:  Road win at Iowa, closer in Columbus than UW, no bad losses.  
  • 3 UW:  Great win over M somewhat negated by the bad loss at IL.  
  • 4 MN:  No really good wins or really bad losses, basically all as expected.  
  • 5 M:  Bad loss to UW, no really good wins.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2019, 09:58:39 AM »
  • Ohio State - 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 - And now, THE GAME.   
  • Penn State - 2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,4 - As stated upthread, 2-5 are EXTREMELY close and Iowa isn't very far behind. 
  • Wisconsin - 3,3,3,3,3,2,2,2,2,2,2,4,3 - I put UW second in the 2-6 group because their win over Michigan was impressive. 
  • Minnesota - 5,5,6,6,6,6,9,10,10,10,8,13,10 - this 2-5 group is tough to sort out. 
  • Michigan - 4,4,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,4,4,2,2 - That beatdown in Madison feels like an outlier. 
  • Iowa - 6,6,5,5,5,5,5,4,4,5,6,5,6 - The win over Minnesota is nice but they still have a home loss to PSU.  Extremely close to 2-5. 
  • Illinois - 7,7,9,9,13,13,13,13,13,13,12,11,13 - Very close with IU and a big step behind Iowa. 
  • Indiana - 8,9,8,8,10,10,11,11,11,11,13,12,12 - It is close between IU and ILL.
  • Michigan State - 9,8,7,7,7,7,6,6,6,7,7,7,9 - Not good lately. 
  • Purdue - 10,10,10,11,9,9,12,12,12,12,11,10,5 - Needs a win over IU and a waiver to go bowling. 
  • Nebraska - 11,11,11,10,11,11,8,9,8,6,9,6,8 - Needs a win over Iowa or a waiver to go bowling. 
  • Northwestern - 12,12,12,12,8,8,7,7,9,9,10,9,7 - A lot better than the last two. 
  • Maryland - 13,13,13,13,12,12,10,8,7,8,5,8,11 - What happened to this season? Haven't I asked that about this team in previous seasons as well?   
  • Rutgers - 14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14,14 - Compared to other B1G teams, the Scarlet Knights have the worst game against six of their eight B1G opponents. 

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, Week 13
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2019, 10:36:24 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 26, 2019, 09:09:33 AM
I read this as:
  • 7 Indiana
  • 8 Illinois
  • 9 Michigan State
  • 10 Purdue



I did it again and once again you are correct
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