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Topic: B1G Power Rankings, preseason

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2023, 01:02:41 PM »
Massey composite rankings (49 rankings)


  • Georgia
  • OHIO STATE
  • MICHIGAN
  • Alabama
  • PENN STATE
  • Tennessee
  • LSU
  • Clemson
  • Texas
  • Utah
  • USC
  • Oregon
  • Florida State
  • Notre Dame
  • Kansas State
  • TCU
  • Washington
  • Oregon State
  • Ole Miss
  • Oklahoma
  • Mississippi State
  • IOWA
  • WISCONSIN
  • Texas Tech
  • MINNESOTA



  • 37. Illinois
  • 41. Maryland
  • 52. Purdue
  • 55. Michigan State
  • 68. Nebraska
  • 82. Indiana
  • 98. Rutgers
  • 102. Northwestern

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2023, 07:50:59 PM »
Massey composite rankings (49 rankings)


  • Georgia
  • OHIO STATE
  • MICHIGAN
love that Michigan is returning 9 starters on defense (DT Mason Graham and LB Makari Paige for some reason aren't considered returning starters in FPI/Phil Steele....newsflash: they are) and are going into Year 2 with DC Jesse Minter, brought in the #4 player overall and the highest rated transfer portal LB in 247Sports portal rankings in Ernest Hausmann- and they are so rock solid at ILB he's not even starting, return their starting QB (who btw was a 19 year old true soph first time starter who didn't have an off-season at all going into '22 bc of a shoulder injury and was splitting #1 reps all fall-camp in a QB battle- meaning- kid was green and inexperienced last year and it showed at times- he has TONS of room for growth), are legit 10-deep at OL with 150 combined P5 starts with their top 7 OLs, return the best RB duo in the country, are back to back B1G champs with two back to back drubbings of Ohio State, get Ohio State at home in Ann Arbor- and Ohio State is breaking in a brand new QB and rebuilding the OL- and all the composite polling and almost all of the media are picking Ohio State over Michigan.

Love it. I've been seeing everyone on ESPN/CBS/247 - all picking Ohio State to beat Michigan and win the B1G. Hope Jeem puts that all over the locker-rooms and plays up the disrespkt angle. Hope these guys feel the disreskpt and don't rest on their laurels.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2023, 07:57:33 PM »
love that Michigan is returning 9 starters on defense (DT Mason Graham and LB Makari Paige for some reason aren't considered returning starters in FPI/Phil Steele....newsflash: they are) and are going into Year 2 with DC Jesse Minter, brought in the #4 player overall and the highest rated transfer portal LB in 247Sports portal rankings in Ernest Hausmann- and they are so rock solid at ILB he's not even starting, return their starting QB (who btw was a 19 year old true soph first time starter who didn't have an off-season at all going into '22 bc of a shoulder injury and was splitting #1 reps all fall-camp in a QB battle- meaning- kid was green and inexperienced last year and it showed at times- he has TONS of room for growth), are legit 10-deep at OL with 150 combined P5 starts with their top 7 OLs, return the best RB duo in the country, are back to back B1G champs with two back to back drubbings of Ohio State, get Ohio State at home in Ann Arbor- and Ohio State is breaking in a brand new QB and rebuilding the OL- and all the composite poll and most of the media are picking Ohio State over Michigan.

Love it. I've been seeing everyone on ESPN/CBS/247 - all picking Ohio State to beat Michigan and win the B1G. Hope Jeem puts that all over the locker-rooms and plays up the disrespkt angle. Hope these guys feel the disreskpt and don't rest on their laurels.
You sure get worked up.  Lol. And making shit up.

Like everyone else I have seen- I just watched Mark Ingram not only pick UM to win the Big- but to win it all.  And- the sentiment On Fox was that their biggest threat is Penn State.


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2023, 08:07:03 PM »
for some odd ass reason B1G Network has employed analyst Jake Butt to make a top 30 players in the B1G list??? Why not do a top 25 or top 50? Wtf is up with a top 30? Uh. Ok. Anyways, here's his top 30....

1) WR Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State (duh)
2) RB Blake Corum, Michigan (not even the best RB on his own team, but OK)
3) OT Olu Fashanu, Penn State 
4) DT Jer'Zhan Newton, Illinois 
5) RB Donovan Edwards, Michigan (flip with Corum and I'm cool) 
6) WR Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State 
7) CB Kalen King, Penn State (Will Johnson is better, but ok) 
8) RB Braelon Allen, Wisconsin 
9) OG Zak Zinter, Michigan (finally some guards getting some love)
10) QB JJ McCarthy, Michigan (too high going into the season imo, could be there at the end) 
11) EDGE JT Tuimoloau, Ohio State 
12) LB Tommy Eichenberg, Ohio State 
13) CB Will Johnson, Michigan (there are not 12 better players in the B1G)
14) DB Cooper DeJean, Iowa 
15) OG Donovan Jackson, Ohio State 
16) RB Nick Singleton, Penn State 
17) FS Rod Moore, Michigan 
18) EDGE Chop Robinson, Penn State (should be higher imo) 
19) RB TreVeyeon Henderson, Ohio State 
20) QB Taulia Tagovaiola, Maryland 
21) TE Brevyn Spann-Ford, Minnesota 
22) LB Abdul Carter, Penn State (should be higher imo) 
23) LB Junior Colson, Michigan
24) LB Maema Njongmeta, Wisconsin 
25) S Tyler Nubin, Minnesota
26) DT Kris Jenkins, Michigan (there are not 25 better football players in the B1G) 
27) WR Isaiah Williams, Illinois 
28) DT Keith Randolph, Illinois 
29) TIE: Iowa TE's Erick All & Luke Lachey (ummmm wtf?....ok?)
30) LB Jacoby Windmon, Michigan State 

list kinda sucks. imo.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2023, 08:08:53 PM »
You sure get worked up.  Lol. And making shit up.

Like everyone else I have seen- I just watched Mark Ingram not only pick UM to win the Big- but to win it all.  And- the sentiment On Fox was that their biggest threat is Penn State.
guess you must've missed ESPN College Football Live special where Kirby, Pat McAfee, Finebaum, Matt Barrie, and basically everyone on ESPN picked Ohio State to win the B1G except for Desmond Howard. But Des doesn't count- he's always gonna pick Michigan dude is a homer- and not the brightest bulb.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2023, 08:12:30 PM »
for some odd ass reason B1G Network has employed analyst Jake Butt to make a top 30 players in the B1G list??? Why not do a top 25 or top 50? Wtf is up with a top 30? Uh. Ok. Anyways, here's his top 30....

1) WR Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State (duh)
2) RB Blake Corum, Michigan (not even the best RB on his own team, but OK)
3) OT Olu Fashanu, Penn State
4) DT Jer'Zhan Newton, Illinois
5) RB Donovan Edwards, Michigan (flip with Corum and I'm cool)
6) WR Emeka Egbuka, Ohio State
7) CB Kalen King, Penn State (Will Johnson is better, but ok)
8) RB Braelon Allen, Wisconsin
9) OG Zak Zinter, Michigan (finally some guards getting some love)
10) QB JJ McCarthy, Michigan (too high going into the season imo, could be there at the end)
11) EDGE JT Tuimoloau, Ohio State
12) LB Tommy Eichenberg, Ohio State
13) CB Will Johnson, Michigan (there are not 12 better players in the B1G)
14) DB Cooper DeJean, Iowa
15) OG Donovan Jackson, Ohio State
16) RB Nick Singleton, Penn State
17) FS Rod Moore, Michigan
18) EDGE Chop Robinson, Penn State (should be higher imo)
19) RB TreVeyeon Henderson, Ohio State
20) QB Taulia Tagovaiola, Maryland
21) TE Brevyn Spann-Ford, Minnesota
22) LB Abdul Carter, Penn State (should be higher imo)
23) LB Junior Colson, Michigan
24) LB Maema Njongmeta, Wisconsin
25) S Tyler Nubin, Minnesota
26) DT Kris Jenkins, Michigan (there are not 25 better football players in the B1G)
27) WR Isaiah Williams, Illinois
28) DT Keith Randolph, Illinois
29) TIE: Iowa TE's Erick All & Luke Lachey (ummmm wtf?....ok?)
30) LB Jacoby Windmon, Michigan State

list kinda sucks. imo.
Jake Butt is a pretty face, who could have been a great NFL TE, except he elected to play in a bowl game, which cost him his pro career.  But he sucks as an analyst.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2023, 08:16:06 PM »
guess you must've missed ESPN College Football Live special where Kirby, Pat McAfee, Finebaum, Matt Barrie, and basically everyone on ESPN picked Ohio State to win the B1G except for Desmond Howard. But Des doesn't count- he's always gonna pick Michigan dude is a homer- and not the brightest bulb.

My only problem with your earlier rant:

I'm not so sure that Michigan has the best two running backs in cfb.  They certainly have the best O-Line, and that can make even average backs look good.

I do think Corum is excellent.  I'm not sold on Edwards though.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2023, 08:20:11 PM »
Jake Butt is a pretty face, who could have been a great NFL TE, except he elected to play in a bowl game, which cost him his pro career.  But he sucks as an analyst.
Lmao. Facts. Butt was probably a 2nd rd NFL draft pick. That is until he tore his acl, mcl, and meniscus 3 or 4 months before the NFL draft playing in a meaningless bowl game vs Florida State. I believe he re-tore the same ACL twice in the NFL and basically never played. 

Case study why I'd never fault a kid who is going to be a 1st or 2nd rd draft pick for deciding to opt out of a bowl game. 

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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2023, 08:21:08 PM »
My only problem with your earlier rant:

I'm not so sure that Michigan has the best two running backs in cfb.  They certainly have the best O-Line, and that can make even average backs look good.

I do think Corum is excellent.  I'm not sold on Edwards though.
I said they have the best RB duo. Best 1-2 punch.

Edwards is RB1 in the next NFL draft, and he is the best RB in the country. Kid is a fkng freak show.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2023, 08:30:24 PM »
My only problem with your earlier rant:

I'm not so sure that Michigan has the best two running backs in cfb.  They certainly have the best O-Line, and that can make even average backs look good.

I do think Corum is excellent.  I'm not sold on Edwards though.
I'm the opposite.  Corum is a very good college RB, whose OL makes him look great.  He's got great vision.  But I think that's why the NIL kept him.  I don't think he would have done well with the combine.

Edwards is a goddamn cheat code.  He's what LeVeon Bell became once he shed some weight, and got in an NFL system.  If you made Edwards a pure WR, he'd be the best slot WR in the Big Ten.  Instead he's a top 5 college RB, with NFL receiving ability.  Corum returning is whatever, I think Michigan has a 4* recruit who can fill those shoes.  Edwarsd is special

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2023, 08:40:13 PM »
I'm the opposite.  Corum is a very good college RB, whose OL makes him look great.  He's got great vision.  But I think that's why the NIL kept him.  I don't think he would have done well with the combine.

Edwards is a goddamn cheat code.  He's what LeVeon Bell became once he shed some weight, and got in an NFL system.  If you made Edwards a pure WR, he'd be the best slot WR in the Big Ten.  Instead he's a top 5 college RB, with NFL receiving ability.  Corum returning is whatever, I think Michigan has a 4* recruit who can fill those shoes.  Edwarsd is special
Agree 100%. Corum is a great college RB with great vision. But he's 5'8 at best and probably not running any better than 4.45-4.5 at the combine. He has put on like 20 pounds of muscle since being at Michigan and he actually looks like he got slower. Kid used to be a bit faster straight line as a 190 pound true freshman. He is not a better RB than Edwards, he just gets more usage than Edwards. He's probably a 3rd rd pick at best. Nothing wrong with that. That's still a great player with a legit chance at an NFL career.

Edwards had a freaking club on his right hand the end of the season and missed 3 games last year with a broken right hand (he's right handed) and played with a torn patella the whole season- and he still did what he did. Edwards is a legit 6'+, 210 pounds and is running 4.4 at worst. Not to mention he could legit play WR- he runs routes and catches the football that well. Edwards like you said is special though- has a legit shot at being 1st rd. Kid is a freak show.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2023, 08:40:47 PM »
guess you must've missed ESPN College Football Live special where Kirby, Pat McAfee, Finebaum, Matt Barrie, and basically everyone on ESPN picked Ohio State to win the B1G except for Desmond Howard. But Des doesn't count- he's always gonna pick Michigan dude is a homer- and not the brightest bulb.
I did miss that.   

Anyway- I am already on record here- Michigan is my pick to win it all.    
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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2023, 11:29:43 AM »
I did miss that. 

Anyway- I am already on record here- Michigan is my pick to win it all. 
I am not even really picking Michigan-just more or less pointing out that they really aren't getting respect from ESPN at least- and in that composite poll of 49 combined polls- they were behind OSU- which Jeem and those coaches absolutely should be blasting up all over the locker room and telling those players no one believes in them- we aren't getting respect from media and polls- NCAA is out to bring me down over BS- he ain't doing his job if he ain't selling all that to his team imo. Play up the disrespkt, play up the us against the world- that shit works imo.

As far as the conference goes, legit think any of the top 3 can win the conference. they are all gonna be really good this year. only thing that gives me pause on PSU- not sure I trust Franklin as a coach though and PSU is breaking in a new inexperienced QB. Yeah, OSU is too- but consider McCord has been in Day's system longer- Day is a QB whisperer and well James Franklin is not- and OSU is f**king LOADED at WR. QB should be A-OK there. I have a lot less questions in my mind about OSU breaking in a new inexperienced QB than I do Penn State.


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Re: B1G Power Rankings, preseason
« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2023, 11:34:51 AM »
Michigan is #2 in the two major polls.  I'm not sure how motivating it is to point to more obscure polls or that ESPN doesn't respect them.

 

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