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Topic: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line

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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2020, 10:37:20 AM »
spot on take of Nebraska

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agree.  I am not a fan of how UNL deploys their 3-4.   I admit I'm more of a 40 front fan, but if you do the 3-4 I prefer the Aggies style they had when the big12 was 12.  Aggressive/risk taking... You give up some big plays, but you make a bunch as well.   Two-gaping with undersized DL is not a recipe for success.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2020, 10:42:22 AM »
well, the Frost Defensive formula in the past with other teams has been to take on risk and be aggressive

but, you need the bodies to do it well

the front 3 still aren't large enough imo
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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2020, 11:06:23 AM »
To do a 3-4 effectively, at least from what I've gleaned, you need those front 3 to be big and powerful kids.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2020, 11:14:05 AM »
I don’t see how Ohio St can be in the top 2 when they just lost most of their DL production in Chase Young, Jashon Cornell, and Davon Hamilton- and not to mention Malik Harrison- who although played OLB was an important edge rusher.
Well you'll have to wait until tomorrow for the full writeup, but to put things in perspective, Michigan is counting on a big season from Chris Hinton as a sophomore based on 129 snaps last year and his 5 star status. Conversely, OSU returns 3 guys at tackle who played 200 snaps last year, and that doesn't include Taron Vincent, the top rated tackle of 2018.

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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2020, 11:44:45 AM »
Well you'll have to wait until tomorrow for the full writeup, but to put things in perspective, Michigan is counting on a big season from Chris Hinton as a sophomore based on 129 snaps last year and his 5 star status. Conversely, OSU returns 3 guys at tackle who played 200 snaps last year, and that doesn't include Taron Vincent, the top rated tackle of 2018.
Michigan didn’t really lose anyone, they return everyone up front and they were very young. Paye and Hutchinson were both first time starters as sophomores, and both showed big potential in their first season starting. Both those guys will only get better. They are both NFL frat picks for sure. Hinton started only 2 games, but they were at the end of the season. As far as players leaving, you can point to Uche, but he’s not really DL, he’s a LB like Malik Harrison. 

Ohio State on the other hand lost like 90% of its DL production if we’re going to include Harrison like you included Uche.


I just don’t see it. Think you’re ranking them too much off potential here vs retuning production and what any of these guys have actually done.  

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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2020, 12:57:55 PM »
Michigan didn’t really lose anyone, they return everyone up front and they were very young. Paye and Hutchinson were both first time starters as sophomores, and both showed big potential in their first season starting. Both those guys will only get better. They are both NFL frat picks for sure. Hinton started only 2 games, but they were at the end of the season. As far as players leaving, you can point to Uche, but he’s not really DL, he’s a LB like Malik Harrison.

Ohio State on the other hand lost like 90% of its DL production if we’re going to include Harrison like you included Uche.


I just don’t see it. Think you’re ranking them too much off potential here vs retuning production and what any of these guys have actually done. 
I don't really see the comparison between Harrison and Uche. Uche played part time and specialized in rushing the passer.  Harrison played full time at linebacker and led the team in tackles. I wasn't trying to play games I know Uche was listed as a linebacker to start the season but ended up as a DE. Harrison would sometimes come up to the LOS but they didn't use him as a rush end.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2020, 01:31:45 PM »
agree.  I am not a fan of how UNL deploys their 3-4.  I admit I'm more of a 40 front fan, but if you do the 3-4 I prefer the Aggies style they had when the big12 was 12.  Aggressive/risk taking... You give up some big plays, but you make a bunch as well.  Two-gaping with undersized DL is not a recipe for success.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2020, 01:40:23 PM »
To do a 3-4 effectively, at least from what I've gleaned, you need those front 3 to be big and powerful kids.

I'd agree... but it mostly depends upon what you want to do with them.  If they one gap, you may want other skills over the ability to hold a spot.  

 UNL was at it's best when they turned 6'4" rural kids into 260lb QB chasers.  I know styles change, but UNL can develop guys like that...  Nebraska does not have a back yard full of guys who come out of HS 320.  Easier to recruit 2 space eaters (in a 40 front) than 3 (in a 30 front).. jmo

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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2020, 02:01:26 PM »
Bryson Williams will probably be mentioned here soon. ;)
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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2020, 02:04:49 PM »
Bryson Williams will probably be mentioned here soon. ;)


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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2020, 02:34:44 PM »
Bryson Williams will probably be mentioned here soon. ;)
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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2020, 07:34:14 AM »
Done. 

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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2020, 08:00:09 AM »
2. Wisconsin: Bryson Williams, Keeanu Benton, Garrett Rand, Isaiahh Loudermilk

If we are going by returning players, Wisconsin is #1 with a bullet.  They return nearly everyone who looked at the field last year.  There overall defense was strong (14th in SP+) and they were number one short yardage on third and fourth downs.  That was with NT Bryson Williams missing a lot of time due to injury and Benton being thrust into action as a true freshman.  Both ends were strong, and they return Matt Henningsen, who led the line in sacks.  The knocks here?  There aren't many.  Injuries have been an issue for these guys, though they have a lot of depth.  Star power is another one - in Wiscy's scheme these guys are real big and free up the linebackers to make plays.  They did suffer some attrition to the linebacker unit, so they might want some more plays from these guys to make up for it.  We'll see if anyone can make that next step.
Williams will back up Benton at NT this season. Rand and Louds will start at the end positions, I'm 99.9% sure on these things.
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Re: B1G Power Rankings: Defensive Line
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2020, 09:27:54 AM »
I don't really see the comparison between Harrison and Uche. Uche played part time and specialized in rushing the passer.  Harrison played full time at linebacker and led the team in tackles. 
Which sort of makes Mdot's case about the tOSU losing more production - that I hope is wrong BTW.It's exceedingly likely we won't find out this year anyway
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