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Topic: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason

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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2018, 08:43:20 AM »
Last year they were 5-1 of course with a 4 point home loss to a good team and ended up 8-5 including a strange melt down against South Carolina, so 3-4 in the latter half, which is not good, and that included an OT win over Indiana.

The win over Florida looked less impressive as the season progressed, but the win over Purdue looked better.

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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2018, 09:03:57 AM »
No changes from my countdown...

  • WISCONSIN - best team on paper, but with a FAR tougher schedule than last year
  • MICHIGAN STATE - returned basically everyone from a 10-3 team, but can they handle the hunted role?
  • OHIO STATE - plenty of turnover and coaching issues, but if they can survive the first half, they still have more talent on the roster than anyone
  • PENN STATE - depends on whether it was McSorley or Moorehead that keyed the turnaround, I'm oddly unconcerned about the loss of Barkley
  • MICHIGAN - and yet I still have them #11 in the nation.  Nobody in the country has a tougher 6 toughest games than Michigan though
  • IOWA - need to have a solid year into what could be a REALLY good 2019 team
  • NORTHWESTERN - Thorson injury really hurts what is the most talented Northwestern team, maybe ever?
  • PURDUE - smack in the middle, I think substantially below the top 7, and substantially above the bottom 6
  • MARYLAND - if the QB play is the massive upgrade it could be, they will nip one of the top 4 in the East, depending on the coaching uncertainty
  • NEBRASKA - give it a year
  • MINNESOTA - toss 9-11 in a hat, but in a tossup, I'm not betting on Fleck
  • INDIANA - program seems to have stagnated, while the other teams in their range (Purdue, Nebraska and Minnesota) at least have buzz around their coach
  • RUTGERS - moving on up!
  • ILLINOIS - no chance Lovie is still here in 2019
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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2018, 09:33:05 AM »
Fleshing out Maryland's difficulties in the B1G-E a little bit:

According to the Worldwide Leader, the B1G-E is the second strongest division in CFB.  That ranking is based on the entire division tough and where the B1G-E really loses out compared to the SEC-W is that the SEC-W's three weakest teams are clearly superior to the B1G-E's three weakest.  This will likely be true even if Maryland is really good because I just don't think that Rutgers and Indiana are at anywhere near the level of aTm, Arky, and Ole Miss.  

The top-4, however, are a different story.  Here are the top-4 in the B1G-E with their AP and Coaches rankings:
  • #5/3 Ohio State
  • #10/9 Penn State
  • #11/12 Michigan State
  • #14/14 Michigan
No other division has four teams in the top-15.  In fact, no other entire conference even has four teams in the top-14.  The next best top-4 reside in the SEC-W:
  • #1/1 Bama
  • #9/10 Auburn
  • #18/18 MissSt
  • #25/24 LSU

The SEC-W has an advantage at #1 while #2 is a wash.  The B1G-E is substantially stronger at #3 and #4.  

Then there is the issue of scheduling.  In theory the easiest of the top-4 to knock off should be the lowest ranked, #14 Michigan.  The problem is that Maryland travels to Ann Arbor.  

The two that Maryland gets at home are MSU on 11/3 and tOSU on 11/17.  Those are probably their two best chances both because they are home games and because both are potential "trap games" for the opponent.  Maryland gets MSU right before the Spartans host Ohio State and they get Ohio State right before the Buckeyes host Michigan.  

I honestly think that Maryland's best chance for a top-4 scalp is Ohio State.  For the Buckeyes, the Maryland game is tucked in between a trip to East Lansing and hosting Michigan.  It certainly not impossible to picture a worn out Buckeye team coming off of a tough game in East Lansing and looking ahead to a tough rivalry game against Michigan getting knocked off in College Park.  
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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2018, 10:25:46 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 27, 2018, 09:17:06 PM
What rankings are you looking at?
In the East. In the East.
Updated to previous post to reflect that.
I used: https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2018/2/8/16990550/college-football-recruiting-rankings-2018-class
And clicked on to order on the 5 year ranking.
EAST
1) OSU (2 overall)
2) PSU (16)
3) M*ch (22)
4) MSU (23)
5) Maryland (37)
6) Indiana (47)
7) Rutgers (60)
15 spots separate Maryland from MSU, and 10 from Indiana. I hold to my statement that Maryland talent wise is closer to 6th than 4th.

WEST
1) Nebraska (25)
2) Wisconsin (35)
3) Iowa (46)
4) Minn (48)
5) NW (53)
6) Ill (59)
7) Pur (69)
« Last Edit: August 28, 2018, 10:28:01 AM by TyphonInc »
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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2018, 10:31:53 AM »
The 2016 recruiting rankings may be worth a relook.  These kids are juniors now, right?

https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

The usual suspects are up high, including Florida State, who I think could be formidable this season.  LSU with Burrow could be formidable as well.  Tennessee is in the second ten, so we can figure they may be competitive and possibly an 8-4 kind of team, maybe if they get by WVU in an upset.

Dawg fans should like the past four years of rankings.  Obviously some folks left a year early from 2015.

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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2018, 10:56:38 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 28, 2018, 08:43:20 AM
Last year they were 5-1 of course with a 4 point home loss to a good team and ended up 8-5 including a strange melt down against South Carolina, so 3-4 in the latter half, which is not good, and that included an OT win over Indiana.

The win over Florida looked less impressive as the season progressed, but the win over Purdue looked better.


We knew by the end of the Purdue game, the best QB was injured and the OL was consistently doing incoherent things. We knew who Michigan was. 
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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2018, 03:02:47 PM »
Quote from: ELA on August 28, 2018, 09:03:57 AM
No changes from my countdown...

  • WISCONSIN - best team on paper, but with a FAR tougher schedule than last year
  • MICHIGAN STATE - returned basically everyone from a 10-3 team, but can they handle the hunted role?
  • OHIO STATE - plenty of turnover and coaching issues, but if they can survive the first half, they still have more talent on the roster than anyone
  • PENN STATE - depends on whether it was McSorley or Moorehead that keyed the turnaround, I'm oddly unconcerned about the loss of Barkley
  • MICHIGAN - and yet I still have them #11 in the nation.  Nobody in the country has a tougher 6 toughest games than Michigan though
  • IOWA - need to have a solid year into what could be a REALLY good 2019 team
  • NORTHWESTERN - Thorson injury really hurts what is the most talented Northwestern team, maybe ever?
  • PURDUE - smack in the middle, I think substantially below the top 7, and substantially above the bottom 6
  • MARYLAND - if the QB play is the massive upgrade it could be, they will nip one of the top 4 in the East, depending on the coaching uncertainty
  • NEBRASKA - give it a year
  • MINNESOTA - toss 9-11 in a hat, but in a tossup, I'm not betting on Fleck
  • INDIANA - program seems to have stagnated, while the other teams in their range (Purdue, Nebraska and Minnesota) at least have buzz around their coach
  • RUTGERS - moving on up!
  • ILLINOIS - no chance Lovie is still here in 2019

Not sure about being unconcerned with the loss of Barkley for Penn State.  Barkley did everything for them except play defense.  He was their running back, wide receiver and return man.  That's a lot to loose.
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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2018, 04:55:26 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on August 28, 2018, 09:33:05 AM
I honestly think that Maryland's best chance for a top-4 scalp is Ohio State.  For the Buckeyes, the Maryland game is tucked in between a trip to East Lansing and hosting Michigan.  It certainly not impossible to picture a worn out Buckeye team coming off of a tough game in East Lansing and looking ahead to a tough rivalry game against Michigan getting knocked off in College Park.  
Good pick.  We saw it happen to OSU last year when OSU traveled to Iowa City after a tough game against PSU the week before and they had to play MSU the week after.

It just seemed like OSU had nothing in the gas tank in the 2nd half at Iowa.  
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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2018, 11:54:05 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 26, 2018, 06:01:56 PM
I could only do groups, which are pretty obvious:

1.  OSU, PSU, UM, MSU, Wisconsin
2.  Iowa, Purdue, UNL, NW
3.  The rest headed by Indiana

The top is great, the middle weakish, and the bottom pretty bad.
For future reference I only use complete ballots (all teams listed) in the compilation.  
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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2018, 11:54:50 AM »
@Drew4UTk 

It might just be my ignorance, but is there a way for me to make the charts (they are uploaded here as jpegs) bigger so that people can actually see them?
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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2018, 12:12:11 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on September 05, 2018, 11:54:50 AM
@Drew4UTk

It might just be my ignorance, but is there a way for me to make the charts (they are uploaded here as jpegs) bigger so that people can actually see them?
instead of linking them, upload them here.  they should render a decent size, and even if they don't they will link to (internal) address where they can be seen full size.  
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Re: B1G Power Ranking, Preseason
« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2018, 12:49:30 PM »
Quote from: Drew4UTk on September 05, 2018, 12:12:11 PM
instead of linking them, upload them here.  they should render a decent size, and even if they don't they will link to (internal) address where they can be seen full size.  
I did upload and you are right, if you click on either of the charts it opens in a full-size window.  
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