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847badgerfan

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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #84 on: October 11, 2022, 01:26:14 PM »
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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #85 on: October 11, 2022, 02:50:05 PM »
Here are all the inter-divisonal games this year:

  • PSU 35, PU 31 at PU
  • IU 23, IL 20 at IU
  • tOSU 52, UW 21 at tOSU
  • MN 34, MSU 7 at MSU
  • IA 27, RU 10 at RU
  • M 27, IA 14 at IA
  • UNL 35, IU 21 at UNL
  • PSU 17, NU 7 at PSU
  • UNL 14, RU 13 at RU
  • PU 31, UMD 29 at UMD
  • Tied 5-5
  • UW at MSU, 10/15
  • IA at tOSU, 10/22
  • NU at UMD, 10/22
  • MN at PSU, 10/22
  • RU at MN, 10/29
  • tOSU at NU, 11/5
  • MSU at IL, 11/5
  • UMD at UW, 11/5
  • UNL at M, 11/12
  • IL at M, 11/19
  • PU at IU, 11/26
  • BIGCG

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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2022, 05:38:44 PM »
The West winning both toss-ups this weekend was really huge for the West's chances to keep this close. As I look at the 11 remaining regular season games I see:

  • Six in which the B1G-E team will be a clear favorite. 
  • Three in which the B1G-W team will be a clear favorite. 
  • Two toss-ups.


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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #87 on: October 11, 2022, 06:06:35 PM »
there's gonna be some upsets
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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2022, 12:40:45 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 11, 2022, 02:50:05 PM
Here are all the inter-divisonal games this year:

  • PSU 35, PU 31 at PU
  • IU 23, IL 20 at IU
  • tOSU 52, UW 21 at tOSU
  • MN 34, MSU 7 at MSU
  • IA 27, RU 10 at RU
  • M 27, IA 14 at IA
  • UNL 35, IU 21 at UNL
  • PSU 17, NU 7 at PSU
  • UNL 14, RU 13 at RU
  • PU 31, UMD 29 at UMD
  • Tied 5-5
  • UW at MSU, 10/15
  • IA at tOSU, 10/22
  • NU at UMD, 10/22
  • MN at PSU, 10/22
  • RU at MN, 10/29
  • tOSU at NU, 11/5
  • MSU at IL, 11/5
  • UMD at UW, 11/5
  • UNL at M, 11/12
  • IL at M, 11/19
  • PU at IU, 11/26
  • BIGCG


The West is not doing too bad considering the East gets the extra home game this year.  But I still expect the East to eventually prevail 13-9 counting the CCG. 

Of course there are always upsets, so it might be more like 12-10,  with the CCG being the deciding factor once again.
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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #89 on: October 18, 2022, 07:58:33 PM »
Just as the West was starting to strut its stuff, the East unexpectedly pulled off a minor upset as Michigan State took down Bucky Badger in OT to regain the lead for the East at 6-5.  Such is the fickle nature of these cross-division matchups and college football in general.  We have 3 big cross-over games this week:

Iowa +29 @ Ohio State


Northwestern +13.5 @ Maryland
Minnesota +4 @ Penn State

The East gets a chance to pull away a bit as all 3 games are at home and all teams are favored.  The West really needs to steal at least one of these if possible, as it'll be tough to come back from 9-5.  There are definitely chances available though in future weeks.



Here are future games to look forward to (copied from Medina's post):


  • RU at MN, 10/29
  • tOSU at NU, 11/5
  • MSU at IL, 11/5
  • UMD at UW, 11/5
  • UNL at M, 11/12
  • IL at M, 11/19
  • PU at IU, 11/26
  • BIGCG

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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #90 on: October 24, 2022, 11:20:55 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 11, 2022, 02:50:05 PM
Here are all the inter-divisonal games this year:

  • PSU 35, PU 31 at PU
  • IU 23, IL 20 at IU
  • tOSU 52, UW 21 at tOSU
  • MN 34, MSU 7 at MSU
  • IA 27, RU 10 at RU
  • M 27, IA 14 at IA
  • UNL 35, IU 21 at UNL
  • PSU 17, NU 7 at PSU
  • UNL 14, RU 13 at RU
  • PU 31, UMD 29 at UMD
  • MSU 34, UW 28 at MSU
  • tOSU 54, Iowa 10 at tOSU
  • UMD 31, NU 24 at UMD
  • PSU 45, MN 17 at PSU
  • East leads 9-5
  • RU at MN, 10/29
  • tOSU at NU, 11/5
  • MSU at IL, 11/5
  • UMD at UW, 11/5
  • UNL at M, 11/12
  • IL at M, 11/19
  • PU at IU, 11/26
  • BIGCG
Above is updated. The West had tied it up but the East swept the last two weekends so now the East only needs two more to tie or three more to win.
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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #91 on: October 24, 2022, 12:44:01 PM »
Not a good week for the West.  Minnesota and Iowa weren't even close.  The only team that was close was Northwestern?  Throw in the fact that Wisconsin lays an egg against MSU.  Wisc needed to win and one of the underdogs needed an upset. 

Now it's over.  This could be the worst year ever for the West.  Worst than 2017.  And MSU is even down this year.

I know the Big Ten is talking about keeping divisions for 1 more year in 2023,  but they need to pull the plug after this year.  The only thing that can save the West this year is if somehow ILL goes on a run and beats Mich late in the season. But more likely ILL will lose to Mich and one other team (Purdue?) and the West winner will have 3 losses this year.
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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #92 on: October 31, 2022, 11:31:57 AM »
Here are all of the inter-divisonal games this year:

  • PSU 35, PU 31 at PU
  • IU 23, IL 20 at IU
  • tOSU 52, UW 21 at tOSU
  • MN 34, MSU 7 at MSU
  • IA 27, RU 10 at RU
  • M 27, IA 14 at IA
  • UNL 35, IU 21 at UNL
  • PSU 17, NU 7 at PSU
  • UNL 14, RU 13 at RU
  • PU 31, UMD 29 at UMD
  • MSU 34, UW 28 at MSU
  • tOSU 54, Iowa 10 at tOSU
  • UMD 31, NU 24 at UMD
  • PSU 45, MN 17 at PSU
  • MN 31, RU 0 at MN
  • East leads 9-6
  • tOSU at NU, 11/5
  • MSU at IL, 11/5
  • UMD at UW, 11/5
  • UNL at M, 11/12
  • IL at M, 11/19
  • PU at IU, 11/26
  • BIGCG


This weekend is the last weekend of multiple cross-overs. We have three and I see it as one strongly favoring the B1G-E (tOSU at NU), one strongly favoring the B1G-W (MSU at IL) and one close to a toss-up (UMD at UW). My phone concurs, it has:

  • tOSU by 38.5
  • IL by 16
  • UW by 5.5
After this weekend we have one crossover each weekend through the CG.

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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #93 on: November 06, 2022, 12:32:41 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on October 24, 2022, 12:44:01 PM
I know the Big Ten is talking about keeping divisions for 1 more year in 2023,  but they need to pull the plug after this year.  The only thing that can save the West this year is if somehow ILL goes on a run and beats Mich late in the season. But more likely ILL will lose to Mich and one other team (Purdue?) and the West winner will have 3 losses this year.
With UCLA and USC entering the Big Ten there is still an argument for divisions, especially given the extensive travel USC and UCLA will be making. Traveling to Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, and Rutgers even by airliners, adds hours to their RT flight over stops at Lincoln, Cedar Rapids, Minneapolis, Madison, Champaign and Chicago. It appears UCLA and USC will finish this week with 8-1 records, each. They could help even things out with the East.
However, the West will continue to have difficulty winning the Big Ten Championship Game. Ohio State is a juggernaut, and Michigan is wanting to be one too. Actually, most of championship games have been competitive. Iowa was a joke against Michigan last season, and that's on Iowa.
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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #94 on: November 06, 2022, 01:48:38 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on November 06, 2022, 12:32:41 AM
However, the West will continue to have difficulty winning the Big Ten Championship Game. Ohio State is a juggernaut, and Michigan is wanting to be one too. Actually, most of championship games have been competitive. Iowa was a joke against Michigan last season, and that's on Iowa.

Fair point,  but to push back a little, the closest the West has ever come to winning was also when Iowa played and lost 16-13 to MSU in 2015.  Also, the worst blowout loss ever was not actually Iowa's 42-3  loss to Michigan in 2021.  As bad as that was,  Wisc's 59-0 loss to OSU in 2014 was worse.

Of course none of that changes my opinion that the Big Ten should just get rid of East-West divisions, probably enhances it.
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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #95 on: November 06, 2022, 02:01:03 PM »
I think there’s an argument for keeping the divisions when you add USC and UCLA. I’d probably just take Northwestern from the west and swap them to the east with Sparty to try and make things a little more balanced. Michigan, OSU, and Penn State in the same division is tough enough as is.
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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #96 on: November 06, 2022, 02:32:17 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 06, 2022, 02:01:03 PM
I think there’s an argument for keeping the divisions when you add USC and UCLA. I’d probably just take Northwestern from the west and swap them to the east with Sparty to try and make things a little more balanced. Michigan, OSU, and Penn State in the same division is tough enough as is.
Although I believe that sticking with east-divisions or any divisions would be a bad idea after 2023,  if the Big Ten insists on sticking with the east-west setup, then it would probably be enough to just place USC and UCLA in the west and shift Purdue to the East.  Swapping NW and MSU would not make a big enough difference to deal with needing the permanent cross-overs needed with Mich-MSU and ILL-NW.

But I can't see that east-West setup appealing to USC and UCLA.  They would be like, we have to play Iowa every year but only play Mich, OSU, PSU once every 4 years?

I would think they would rather have the setup with no divisions, 3 permanent rivals and play the other 12 teams 50% of the time.

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Re: B1G East vs. West
« Reply #97 on: November 06, 2022, 05:40:54 PM »
It is easy to see who the three protected rivals of Wisc., Nebr., Iowa, and Minnesota would be. Maybe Wisconsin would not be a protected rival of Nebraska, and instead have one or both west coast teams as protected rivals along with Iowa. It becomes more difficult to identify three protected rivals for most of the rest of the Big Ten, including USC and UCLA.
I am not sure USC and UCLA will want to more regularly cross three time zones to play teams in the Eastern time zone, or that Eastern teams will want to cross three time zones regularly to play night games on the west coast.
It will be interesting to see how they work this out. 
Historically, the only Big Ten school USC does not have a winning record against is Penn State -- against whom USC is 3-3. The west might start winning divisional championships with USC joining the BTW. 
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