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Topic: B1G East vs. B1G West

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: B1G East vs. B1G West
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2019, 05:43:21 PM »
As of 11/23/2019, the East-West record is even.

Final interdivision regular season game is Indiana @ Purdue.
I didn't double-check the figures, I'm just assuming that Hawk was right.  Thus, the B1G-E now holds a one game lead heading into the CG.  The East wins with a tOSU win and it is a tie with a UW win.  

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Re: B1G East vs. B1G West
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2019, 08:47:18 PM »
many times comes down to the last 1 or 2 games

much of the time going to the East
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Re: B1G East vs. B1G West
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2019, 09:35:37 PM »
Medina, I got a new puzzle for you.

If the Big Ten had no divisions this year and the rules said the 2 best teams make the CCG, then who would go to the CCG?

OSU 9-0 obviously
Wisc 7-2
Minn 7-2
PSU 7-2

So H2H, Wiscy beat Minny, Minny beat PSU, but PSU did not play Wiscy.

Wiscy also lost to OSU and ILL.  PSU also lost to OSU.  Minny also to Iowa.

All 3 are 10=2 overall

So who would go to the CCG?

Edit:  so here is a guess.  They would need to find the highest ranked opponent that they all played, which would be 6-3 iowa.  Wiscy and PSU both beat Iowa and Minny lost to Iowa.  So Minny drops out.

Next Wiscy and PSU need to find the highest ranked opponent they both played

Both lost to OSU
Wiscy beat Minny while PSU lost to Minny

So Wiscy goes to the CCG?

« Last Edit: December 02, 2019, 09:44:45 PM by LittlePig »

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Re: B1G East vs. B1G West
« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2019, 10:29:33 PM »
sounds reasonable
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Re: B1G East vs. B1G West
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2019, 08:12:37 AM »
I think the more likely tie breaker would be highest ranked team according to the playoff committee.

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Re: B1G East vs. B1G West
« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2019, 08:45:06 AM »
Probably. I'm thinking it will be close when it comes out tonight. AP and coaches both have UW ahead right now.
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Re: B1G East vs. B1G West
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2019, 09:15:53 AM »
I think the more likely tie breaker would be highest ranked team according to the playoff committee.
But can they wait till Tuesday night to name the team playing in the CCG?  I don't think so. 

Although maybe they could use the Massey composite computer rankings instead.  or maybe even use the old BCS rankings, using the coaches and AP polls for the human polls.

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Re: B1G East vs. B1G West
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2019, 09:20:13 AM »
the conference shouldn't rely on the playoff committee to break ties

find a way to use performance on the field
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Re: B1G East vs. B1G West
« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2019, 09:36:02 AM »
Medina, I got a new puzzle for you.

If the Big Ten had no divisions this year and the rules said the 2 best teams make the CCG, then who would go to the CCG?

OSU 9-0 obviously
Wisc 7-2
Minn 7-2
PSU 7-2

So H2H, Wiscy beat Minny, Minny beat PSU, but PSU did not play Wiscy.

Wiscy also lost to OSU and ILL.  PSU also lost to OSU.  Minny also to Iowa.

All 3 are 10=2 overall

So who would go to the CCG?

Edit:  so here is a guess.  They would need to find the highest ranked opponent that they all played, which would be 6-3 iowa.  Wiscy and PSU both beat Iowa and Minny lost to Iowa.  So Minny drops out.

Next Wiscy and PSU need to find the highest ranked opponent they both played

Both lost to OSU
Wiscy beat Minny while PSU lost to Minny

So Wiscy goes to the CCG?
Here is the current divisional tiebreaker.  

If we just assume that they would use that, then the steps would be:
Step 1:
H2H2H among the tied teams:
  • 1-0 Wisconsin, beat Minnesota
  • 1-1 Minnesota, beat PSU, lost to UW
  • 0-1 Penn State, lost to Minnesota
That settles it, Wisconsin goes based on their superior H2H2H record.  

In the football tiebreaker they assume that all teams will have played each other because the tie could only be between teams that did.  However, in the BB tiebreaker, they stipulate that 2-0 is better than 3-1 but that 2-0 is NOT better than 1-0.  In this case it doesn't matter.  1-0 is obviously better than either 1-1 or 0-1 so it would be Wisconsin without further considerations.  

IF Wisconsin had lost to PSU instead of IL then all three would be 1-1 against each other.  Only then would the next step be used.  

Step 2:
Record against the best team in the league, then the next, etc:
I'm not sure how this would work because their records against the top team are:
  • 0-1 Wisconsin
  • 0-1 Penn State
  • 0-0 Minnesota
According to step 6 (b) of the football tiebreaker when comparing records against the best team(s) in the other division, 1-0 IS better than 0-0.  That probably means that 0-0 is also better than 0-1 but I REALLY don't like that result.  That would mean, effectively, that UW and PSU would be penalized for their tougher schedule of having to play Ohio State and Minnesota would get the CG bid.  OTOH, that does make some sense if you consider that UW and PSU each already had a shot at tOSU but MN didn't.  


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Re: B1G East vs. B1G West
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2019, 09:58:56 AM »
no voter's opinions needed

thank God
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Re: B1G East vs. B1G West
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2019, 10:22:00 AM »
Thank Medina.
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