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medinabuckeye1

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B1G Championships - stats and whatnot
« on: June 05, 2018, 07:06:36 PM »
A fun off-season discussion.  

There have been 122 seasons of Western/BigTen/Big11Ten/B1G football and in those 122 season there have been 174 Championships awarded.  (Side note, prior to the CG there were 167 champions in 115 years or almost 1.5 per year due to co-championships).  

Michigan is the all-time leader with 42, leaderboard:
  • 42 Michigan
  • 36 Ohio State
  • 18 Minnesota
  • 15 Illinois
  • 14 Wisconsin
  • 11 Iowa
  • 9 Michigan State
  • 8 Northwestern
  • tie 8 Purdue
  • 7 Chicago
  • 4 Penn State
  • 2 Indiana

That seems a bit unfair to the schools that joined later (particularly MSU and PSU).  

Since Penn State's first Championship in 1994 the Nittany Lions are in fourth place:
  • 10 Ohio State
  • 5 Wisconsin
  • tie 5 Michigan
  • 4 Penn State

Since Michigan State's first Championship in 1953 the Spartans are in third place:
  • 28 Ohio State
  • 22 Michigan
  • 9 Michigan State

Since Ohio State's first Championship in 1916 the Buckeyes are tied for first with Michigan at 36.  

One of the most interesting things to me is Minnesota's utter collapse.  When they won their 18th Championship in 1967 (split with Indiana and Purdue) the Gophers were in second place all time and closer to first (Michigan with 21) than third (Ohio State and Illinois with 12 each).  The only schools to be members for the entire 50 years since then (1968-2017) and not win a Championship are Minnesota and Indiana.  1968-2017 Championships:
  • 24 Ohio State
  • 21 Michigan
  • 6 Michigan State
  • tie 6 Wisconsin
  • 5 Iowa
  • 4 Penn State
  • 3 Northwestern
  • tie 3 Illinois
  • 1 Purdue
  • 0 Indiana
  • tie 0 Minnesota

Michigan's current (2005-2017) 13 year title-drought ties their longest ever (13 years from 1951-1963) but I don't think it is quite as bad.  For one thing there were co-championships back then so that drought was worse.  For another that was part of an 18 year stretch in which the Wolverines only won one title (1951-1968).  By comparison, in the most recent 18 years (2000-2017) Michigan has won three titles (2004, 2003, 2000).  

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Re: B1G Championships - stats and whatnot
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2018, 08:28:10 PM »
Since Penn State's first Championship in 1994 the Nittany Lions are in fourth place:


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Since PSU began playing Big Ten football in 1993, it's OSU with 11 and Wisconsin with 6 (those 2 shared in 1993). 

That eliminates the tie for #2.

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Re: B1G Championships - stats and whatnot
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2018, 09:09:20 AM »
Since Penn State's first Championship in 1994 the Nittany Lions are in fourth place:


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Since PSU began playing Big Ten football in 1993, it's OSU with 11 and Wisconsin with 6 (those 2 shared in 1993).

That eliminates the tie for #2.

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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2018, 09:26:58 AM »

...and an undefeated 2012 campaign. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: B1G Championships - stats and whatnot
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2018, 09:34:21 AM »
One of the most interesting things to me is Minnesota's utter collapse.  When they won their 18th Championship in 1967 (split with Indiana and Purdue) the Gophers were in second place all time and closer to first (Michigan with 21) than third (Ohio State and Illinois with 12 each).  The only schools to be members for the entire 50 years since then (1968-2017) and not win a Championship are Minnesota and Indiana.  1968-2017 Championships:
  • 24 Ohio State
  • 21 Michigan
  • 6 Michigan State
  • tie 6 Wisconsin
  • 5 Iowa
  • 4 Penn State
  • 3 Northwestern
  • tie 3 Illinois
  • 1 Purdue
  • 0 Indiana
  • tie 0 Minnesota
Minnesota's collapse actually started much earlier and WWII is clearly the demarcation between Minnesota being a powerful football program and not.  
Minnesota won their 16th league title right before the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941 and after that, it was over.  Minnesota's 1941 league title was their second consecutive outright league title.  It was also their seventh title in nine years: 1933-1941 with titles in 1933, 34, 35, 37, 38, 40, and 41.  Additionally, all but the 1933 (shared with Michigan) and 1935 (shared with Ohio State) titles were outright wins.  
Both of the Gopher's titles since 1941 were shared:
  • In 1960 the Gophers and Hawkeyes shared the title at 5-1.  
  • In 1967 the Gophers, Boilermakers, and Hoosiers shared the title at 6-1.  

What really illustrates just how dramatic Minnesota's collapse was is to just look at 1896-1941 titles compared to 1942-2017 titles:
1896-1941 titles:
  • 16 Minnesota
  • 15 Michigan
  • 8 Illinois
  • 7 Chicago
  • 5 Northwestern
  • tie 5 Wisconsin
  • tie 5 Ohio State
  • 4 Purdue
  • 3 Iowa
1942-2017 titles:
  • 31 Ohio State
  • 27 Michigan
  • 9 Wisconsin
  • tie 9 Michigan State
  • 8 Iowa
  • 7 Illinois
  • 4 Purdue
  • tie 4 Penn State
  • 3 Northwestern
  • 2 Indiana
  • tie 2 Minnesota

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Re: B1G Championships - stats and whatnot
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2018, 10:07:47 AM »
Michigan's lead in league titles:

Michigan's lead is now down to just six over the Buckeyes (42-36).  Michigan's lead in league titles has not been this small since prior to the 1973 season when Michigan led Minnesota by six (24-18).  

Michigan has been alone in the lead in league titles since winning their 17th in 1947.  The Wolverines have been at least tied for the lead in league titles since winning their 16th in 1943.  The last time Michigan was not in the lead in league titles was prior to the 1943 season when the standings were (1896-1942 league titles):
  • 16 Minnesota
  • 15 Michigan
  • 8 Illinois
  • 7 Chicago
  • 6 Ohio State
  • 5 Wisconsin
  • tie 5 Northwestern
  • 4 Purdue
  • 3 Iowa

After Michigan passed Minnesota with their 1947 title their lead steadily increased over the Gophers so that by the time the Buckeyes caught up to the Gophers with their title in 1974 (shared with Michigan) the Wolverines held a lead of eight (26-18) over the Buckeyes and Gophers.  Michigan's lead was then stable at 7-8 for a decade and a half until the coming of John Cooper whereupon Michigan's lead began to grow.  It was in the double-digits from 1990-2007 peaking at 13 (42-29) when Michigan won their most recent title in 2004.  

Since 2004 the Buckeyes have won seven league titles while the Badgers, Spartans, and Nittany Lions have won three each.  The other 10 teams (Michigan, Minnesota, Illinois, Iowa, Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers) that have been in the league for all or part of 2005-2017 (13 years) have not won a league title.  

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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2018, 10:49:02 AM »
Typically when we have these discussions Michigan fans take the position that oldest is most important.  It reminds me a bit of the scene in the Movie Airplane in which the question of "what happened before I got here?" is answered with "First there were the dinosaurs . . ."  Note to Michigan fans: that scene is funny because nobody else views history that way.  For everyone else, the most relevant 20 years are 1998-2017 not 1896-1915 and the most relevant 50 years are 1968-2017 not 1896-1945.  

The leaders in Championships since a given year are:
  • Since 2017 (all are inclusive): Ohio State with one.  
  • Since 2016:  Ohio State and Penn State with one each.  
  • Since 2015:  Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan State with one each.  
  • Since 2014:  Ohio State with two.  
  • Since 2012-2013:  Ohio State and Michigan State with two each.  
  • Since 2011:  Ohio State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin with two each.  
  • Since 2010:  Michigan State and Wisconsin with three each.  
  • Since 2009:  Ohio State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin with three each.  
  • Since 1926-2008:  Ohio State with four to 33.  
  • Since 1924-1925:  Ohio State and Michigan with 33 each.  
  • Since 1917-1923:  Michigan with 34-36.  
  • Since 1907-1916:  Ohio State and Michigan with 36 each.  
  • Since 1896-1906:  Michigan with 37-42.  

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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2018, 04:47:55 PM »
Longest stretches of neither Ohio State nor Michigan winning a league title:
  • Nine years, 1907-1915:  Titles won by MN4x, IL3x, Chicago3x, and UW.  Note that Ohio State did not join until 1913 so was not in the league for six of these nine (1907-1912) and Michigan left after winning the 1906 title (shared with MN and UW) and did not return until 1917 so they were out of the league for all nine years.  
  • Four years, 2010-2013:  Titles won by UW3x, MSU2x.  Note that this included a perfect season by Ohio State while on suspension in 2012 and a shared league title by Ohio State in 2010 that was subsequently vacated.  
  • Three years, 1965-1967:  Titles won by MSU2x, MN, PU, IU.  
  • Three years, 1958-1960:  Titles won by IA2x, UW, MN.  
  • Three years, 1951-1953:  Titles won by IL2x, UW, MSU, PU.  
  • Three years, 1936-1938:  Titles won by MN2x and NU.
  • Three years, 1927-1929:  Titles won by IL2x, MN, and PU.  

The addition of a title game and consequent limit to only one champion each year has had a substantial impact on stats like these.  In the last eight years (2010-2017) the Buckeyes and Wolverines have combined to win only two league titles (both by tOSU, '14 and '17).  Similarly, in the eight years from 2009-2016 Ohio State and Michigan combined to win only two league titles (tOSU in '09 and '14).  That is the fewest in eight years for the Buckeyes and Wolverines since 1909-1916 when they combined to win only one but, as mentioned above, the Buckeyes were only in the league for part of that time and the Wolverines were not in the league for any of that time.  

Not counting times when one or both were not in the league, the fewest combined titles in any eight year stretch for the Buckeyes and Wolverines is two which has happened several times:
  • 2010-2017 (see above)
  • 2009-2016 (see above)
  • 1960-1967:  Michigan in 1964, Ohio State in 1961 
  • 1959-1966:  Michigan in 1964, Ohio State in 1961
  • 1958-1965:  Michigan in 1964, Ohio State in 1961
  • 1956-1963:  Ohio State in 1957 and 1961
  • 1934-1941:  Ohio State in 1935 and 1939

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Re: B1G Championships - stats and whatnot
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2018, 05:12:40 PM »
*So three years is the longest. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2018, 05:58:14 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2018, 10:10:11 PM »
It works like a double negative. Two asterisks equals one Big Ten title. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: B1G Championships - stats and whatnot
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2018, 01:34:06 PM »
I meant to add this to be fair to Chicago:

Chicago won an outright Championship in 1924, that was their last.  That was their seventh overall and second in three years.  At that point they were third overall.  It is interesting how evenly the early Championships were distributed.  1896-1924 Championships:
  • 9 Michigan
  • 8 Minnesota
  • 7 Chicago
  • 6 Illinois
  • 5 Wisconsin
  • 3 Iowa
  • tie 3 Ohio State
  • 1 Northwestern
  • tie 1 Purdue

Since then Chicago has been passed by: 
Ohio State:  Caught them in 1944, passed them in 1949.  
Illinois:  Caught them in 1927, passed them in 1928.  
Wisconsin:  Caught them in 1959, passed them in 1962.  
Iowa:  Caught them in 1981, passed them in 1985.  
Michigan State:  Caught them in 2010, passed them in 2013.  
Northwestern:  Caught them in 1996, passed them in 2000.  
Purdue:  Caught them in 1967, passed them in 2000.  

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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2018, 01:31:54 AM »
I was curious about U of Chicago. It is now D-III in football. Don't expect it to return to D-I.

Chicago's enrollment is much higher than I thought -- 16,000. Typical ACT scores are 32-35. Northwestern's typical ACT scores are 31-34.

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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2018, 06:05:18 AM »
Indiana Jones graduated from there.
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