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Topic: #2 Michigan (8-1, 12-1) vs. #13 Iowa (7-2, 10-3) Postgame

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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2021, 11:51:00 AM »
any blocked punts, any punts returned for TD?

you know, like Nebraska - game killers
 None on Michigan.  Don't know about Iowa.
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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2021, 02:33:49 PM »
None on Michigan.  Don't know about Iowa.
Iowa is not perfect on punts, but close. 

I think Taylor had 1 punt blocked, against NW.  In another game he had 1 snap go through his legs where he had to run and fall on the ball.  I would blame the bad snap on the long snapper.

Oh there was also a time last year where Taylor dropped the ball and then kicked it.  Thats an illegal kick.  Taylor is from Australia.  I am not sure if he knew that at that time but he knows now.

But I do not think Iowa lost any games because of those mistakes
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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2021, 02:56:54 PM »
Today Iowa CB Riley Moss was named Big Ten DB of the year.

This is the 5th time in the last 10 years that an Iowa player has won Big Ten DB of the year    Micah Hyde, Desmond King, Josh Jackson, Amari Hooker all won previously.  Iowa coach Phil Parker continues to work wonders with the Iowa Secondary.

Also Iowa KR and PR Charlie Jones won Big Ten return specialist of the year.  Iowa special teams coordinator Lavar Woods continues to work wonders with Iowa's special teams.

If things were fair,  Parker and Woods would be the 2 front-runners to replace Kirk Ferentz when he retires, but of course everybody knows its going to be Brian Ferentz instead.

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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2021, 03:28:01 PM »
That would be absolutely assinine,like Paterno at one time was trying to groom his kid for the gig after Sandusky ""Retired".If i'm on the Board we have a search,tell sonny it's not a family business.There's someone on the staff they like but it's not him
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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2021, 05:56:45 PM »
College Football Nerds with their awesome as usual break-down. They say don't assume it will be easy, and think it will be close. Their computer model predicts Michigan- 28, Iowa- 19. They both pick Michigan to win 24-13. 

This game always scares me. I hate playing Iowa. Having said that- as long as Michigan plays it conservative, doesn't turn the ball over, make too many penalties, and punts the ball and plays field position and relies on their run game, defense, and special teams- I think they'll be able to pull it out. This might be Kirk's weakest OL, worst QB, and worst offense in his tenure. Iowa feasts on the turnover, other teams special teams errors, and capitalizing on mistakes. 

Keep the game clean, keep everything in front of you, don't make unforced errors, mistakes, or penalties, protect the football, play field position, and force Iowa's offense to try to go 70-80-90 yard drives to score points. Don't give them special teams or defensive TD's or short fields- and they probably just won't score very many points.



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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2021, 06:04:51 PM »
Iowa starting CB Matt Hankins is out. Have not heard any starters out for Michigan.

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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2021, 06:14:49 PM »
College Football Nerds with their awesome as usual break-down. They say don't assume it will be easy, and think it will be close. Their computer model predicts Michigan- 28, Iowa- 19. They both pick Michigan to win 24-13.

This game always scares me. I hate playing Iowa. Having said that- as long as Michigan plays it conservative, doesn't turn the ball over, make too many penalties, and punts the ball and plays field position and relies on their run game, defense, and special teams- I think they'll be able to pull it out. This might be Kirk's weakest OL, worst QB, and worst offense in his tenure. Iowa feasts on the turnover, other teams special teams errors, and capitalizing on mistakes.

Keep the game clean, keep everything in front of you, don't make unforced errors, mistakes, or penalties, protect the football, play field position, and force Iowa's offense to try to go 70-80-90 yard drives to score points. Don't give them special teams or defensive TD's or short fields- and they probably just won't score very many points.
Exactly. 

Michigan has the type of offense that can be successful enough with smashmouth football to outscore the Iowa offense. If you can avoid turnovers, play field position, and just work to wear down the Iowa defense, you'll strangle them. That's the way to beat a defense that feasts on turnovers, mistakes, and getting you behind down-and-distance. Just run it down their throats. 

I know you may not appreciate this, but Michigan should play Tresselball :57: 

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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #63 on: November 30, 2021, 08:04:52 PM »
Spencer Petras named starting QB for Iowa. By the way, how the hell is Riley Moss playing without a PCL in his knee? How does that even work. Sounds painful. Yikes.

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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2021, 10:36:38 PM »
 This might be Kirk's weakest OL, worst QB, and worst offense in his tenure. 
That can't be they wouldn't have gotten here
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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2021, 10:39:10 PM »
I know you may not appreciate this, but Michigan should play Tresselball 
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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2021, 11:22:27 PM »
That can't be they wouldn't have gotten here
idk i mean they did get where they are based largely on the back of that solid defense, excellent special teams, and a nice schedule with some breaks. they didn't have to face any of the top 3 East teams (M, OSU, MSU), and they were getting beat 17-3 by the 4th place East team Penn State until Clifford went out with the injury and his god awful back-up came in that game and really just crapped the bed. Of the 3 teams they played from the West that are bowl eligible- they lost 2 of the 3 and got smoked in both of those games 27-7 (Purdue, Wisc) and the one they won they beat Minny in Kinnick in a close one- 27-22. Their other 3 West games were vs non-bowl teams Nebraska (3-9), Northwestern (3-9), and Illini (5-7). Their cross-over games were Indiana (2-10), Maryland (6-6), and Penn State (7-5) - a game they lose if Clifford doesn't get knocked out when Penn State is up 17-3. Their non-conference was Kent State (7-5), Colorado State (3-9), and Iowa State (7-5). 

Their offensive rankings across the board in both the raw and advanced stats are pretty bad and they are also 1st in B1G play in terms of giving up sacks. When is the last time a Kirk Ferentz Iowa OL was 1st in B1G play at giving sacks?

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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #67 on: December 01, 2021, 04:57:54 AM »
I agree with most of that except for the part that PSU would have won if Clifford did not get hurt.  PSU early drives were mostly kept alive by Clifford running for 1st downs.  Typically in similar games when a team is scoring early with the QB running, the Iowa defense adjusts and shuts down the other team in the 2nd half.  The Nebraska game and Illinois game are great examples of this.  Iowa was down by double digits and clawed its way back in both games. Iowa probably would have done the same against PSU.  It was already 17-10 before the PSU backip even saw the field.  After Iowa went up 23-20 against PSU, the Iowa offense went very conservative because Kirk Ferentz knew PSU would not score again with its backup QB.  With or without Clifford, Iowa was going to get back in that game.

With all that said,  Iowa did none of those things against Purdue and Wisc following weeks after PSU.  Which was a little strange.  Jeff Brahm more than other coach, just seems to have Iowa figured out.  While Iowa defense seems to be good at adjusting to a running QB during a game,  they have never been able to shut down WR David  Bell.  It does not help that CB Riley Moss was out against Purdue and Wisc.  But DC Phil Parker gets strangely stubborn about not doing double coverage on any WR, even David Bell, and Iowa got burned.

Also I guess Purdue and Wisc are great examples of what happens to Iowa if they get no turnovers.  But PSU was turning the ball over against Iowa, which is why I think Iowa would have come back against PSU even with Clifford.

But I do agree that Iowa's schedule in hindsight was easier than first thought.  Iowa rose to #2 by blowing out #17 Ind, winning @ #9 Iowa State, blowing out @MD, and then beating #4 PSU.  All 4 teams ended up worse than everybody thought they were at the time Iowa played them. As it turned out, the best teams Iowa ended up.playing were in the Big Ten West. One can argue that MSU,  Mich and OSU also benefited from Rutgers, MD, Ind and PSU being worse than originally thought.  MSU especially also got lucky with its schedule, not having to play Wisc, Iowa, Minn or ILL.  We saw what happened to MSU against Purdue.

I am also disappointed Iowa's offense did not get better as the season dragged on.  The MD game gave Iowa fans false hope the offense was getting better.  Turns out scoring 50 on MD is no big deal.

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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #68 on: December 01, 2021, 06:05:26 AM »
I agree with most of that except for the part that PSU would have won if Clifford did not get hurt.  PSU early drives were mostly kept alive by Clifford running for 1st downs.  Typically in similar games when a team is scoring early with the QB running, the Iowa defense adjusts and shuts down the other team in the 2nd half.  The Nebraska game and Illinois game are great examples of this.  Iowa was down by double digits and clawed its way back in both games. Iowa probably would have done the same against PSU.  It was already 17-10 before the PSU backip even saw the field.  After Iowa went up 23-20 against PSU, the Iowa offense went very conservative because Kirk Ferentz knew PSU would not score again with its backup QB.  With or without Clifford, Iowa was going to get back in that game.
After Clifford got knocked out up 17-3, PSU back-up Ta'Quan Roberson proceeded to complete 33% of his passes going 7/21 for 34 yards passing on a completely mind-boggling .62 yards per attempt, 0 TD, 2 INT- he also ran the ball on 10 carries for 27 yards for an avg of 2.7 yards per carry with 1 fumble to boot with a QBR of 23.5. That was an all-time bad performance. I don't think it can be overstated just how badly they were missing Clifford the rest of that game.

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Re: #5 Michigan (8-1, 11-1) vs. #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-2) CCG Week
« Reply #69 on: December 01, 2021, 07:03:28 AM »
I guess we will just go in circles on the Clifford argument since Clifford did not finish the Iowa game.  I am just saying the Iowa defense has a history of shutting down QB's like Clifford in the 2nd half of games,  and Iowa was only down by 7 points once the PSU backup QB entered the game.

I will agree however that the PSU backip was absolutely awful.  Possibly one of the worst performances I have ever seen from a backup QB.  That made Iowa's comeback much much easier.  I mean Iowa literally kneeled down 3 times on its 2nd last possession because it had so little confidence PSU would score on its last drive.  He was that bad.

I will also agree that Iowa is not as good as its 10-2 record and is going to lose badly to Michigan.

 

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