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Topic: #2 Michigan (8-1, 12-1) vs. #13 Iowa (7-2, 10-3) Postgame

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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2021, 07:14:42 PM »
If MSU hadn't stubbed their toe at Purdue, OSU would still be going, based on what medina said of the tiebreakers, correct?  Not sure any OSU fans knew they should have been rooting for MSU in that spot at the time.
Tiebreaker in that scenario would end up as record of B1G-W opponents. 
Ohio State:
  • 6-3 MN
  • 6-3 PU
  • 1-8 UNL
  • 13-14 overall
Michigan:
  • 6-3 UW
  • 1-8 UNL
  • 1-8 NU
  • 8-19 overall
Michigan State
  • 6-3 PU
  • 1-8 UNL
  • 1-8 NU
  • 8-19 overall


So yes, if MSU had beaten PU the Buckeyes would be heading to the B1GCG.

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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2021, 07:19:09 PM »
If a tie is like kissing your sister, then a Big Ten Title without a win in THE GAME would be like marrying your sister, and then patterning your family after that show "19 and counting." 
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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2021, 07:22:55 PM »
I'll likely be rooting for the Hawks and if the Hawks can fine some turnovers and special teams plays, they can win
There is a not insignificant chance that Michigan has a major hangover after beating their biggest rival for the first time in a decade. 

Everybody seems to be comparing Iowa to the Michigan team we saw yesterday but that Michigan team has only made one appearance this year, will they make another?

The Michigan team that we saw yesterday could beat Iowa in their sleep. The Michigan team that:
  • Lost to MSU,
  • beat RU by a TD
  • beat UNL by a FG
  • Should have lost to PSU:
That Michigan team, not so much.

Even without a "hangover", if Michigan simply reverts to form this is a very winnable game for Iowa.


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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2021, 07:31:56 PM »
agreed

most of us will assume that Michigan learned their strengths and will apply them again after using them against Ohio St.

most of us will also assume that we've seen the Hawkeyes best effort.  a 3 point win vs PSU or a 10 point victory over Iowa St.

but, Michigan might not play as well and Iowa might just play their best game of the season
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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2021, 07:32:57 PM »
I see a spread of 10.5, which is substantial, it would give Iowa about 1 chance in 4.

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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2021, 07:37:03 PM »
The Michigan team that:
  • Lost to MSU,
  • beat RU by a TD
  • beat UNL by a FG
  • Should have lost to PSU:
That Michigan team, not so much.

Even without a "hangover", if Michigan simply reverts to form this is a very winnable game for Iowa.
MSU was a road game, UNL was a road night game, and Penn State was a road game. This will not be a road game, and Michigan may have the crowd with them. I'd have to guess there will be a shit ton of Michigan fans there- this is their first time ever being there and their fans have only waited oh- like 17 years to actually compete for a Big Ten title.

Michigan got jobbed on the Hutchinson TD vs MSU, should've been up 23, but whatever. They still crapped the bed there in the 4th QTR. I 100% believe that experience propelled them to finish the job vs OSU. They don't experience that pain and that defeat- they might not be where they are today. That game was a wake-up call- and they don't finish off Penn State or Ohio State in the 2nd half without blowing that lead vs Sparty on the road.

They were up big on Nebraska early and were up on Nebraska vast majority of the game- on the road- at night- and they kept letting Nebraska back in it. Nebraska had a lead for all of maybe 4 or 5 minutes I think. Michigan was controlling that game- and it shouldn't have been as close as it was. In the Big House or in a neutral field- I think the Nebbies would've got beaten by at least 10. Just a weird game.

No idea on earth how you say they should have lost to Penn State when they out-gained PSU in everything: total yards, rush yards, pass yards, first downs, TOP, oh and the only one that actually matters- points. Michigan's edge duo whipped Penn State's OL- and that was the story of the game. 

Rutgers game- that to me is whatever. Michigan dominated that 1st half- Cade missed three wide open TD's- they should've been up 31-3 at half- but instead were only up 20-3. And then in the 2nd half they didn't even bother to show up- but it didn't really matter- because Rutgers was never a thread to actually win that game- it was like fighting your little brother with two arms tied behind your back and he still can't beat you. It was just a weird game. 

Iowa can absolutely win this game. Any given Saturday. Michigan will have to bring it's A game. I just don't think they're going to be asleep at the wheel here.

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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2021, 07:41:41 PM »
We usually go by the scoreboard at the end of the Game
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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2021, 08:27:07 PM »
MSU was a road game, UNL was a road night game, and Penn State was a road game. This will not be a road game, and Michigan may have the crowd with them. I'd have to guess there will be a shit ton of Michigan fans there- this is their first time ever being there and their fans have only waited oh- like 17 years to actually compete for a Big Ten title.

Michigan got jobbed on the Hutchinson TD vs MSU, should've been up 23, but whatever. They still crapped the bed there in the 4th QTR. I 100% believe that experience propelled them to finish the job vs OSU. They don't experience that pain and that defeat- they might not be where they are today. That game was a wake-up call- and they don't finish off Penn State or Ohio State in the 2nd half without blowing that lead vs Sparty on the road.

They were up big on Nebraska early and were up on Nebraska vast majority of the game- on the road- at night- and they kept letting Nebraska back in it. Nebraska had a lead for all of maybe 4 or 5 minutes I think. Michigan was controlling that game- and it shouldn't have been as close as it was. In the Big House or in a neutral field- I think the Nebbies would've got beaten by at least 10. Just a weird game.

No idea on earth how you say they should have lost to Penn State when they out-gained PSU in everything: total yards, rush yards, pass yards, first downs, TOP, oh and the only one that actually matters- points. Michigan's edge duo whipped Penn State's OL- and that was the story of the game.

Rutgers game- that to me is whatever. Michigan dominated that 1st half- Cade missed three wide open TD's- they should've been up 31-3 at half- but instead were only up 20-3. And then in the 2nd half they didn't even bother to show up- but it didn't really matter- because Rutgers was never a thread to actually win that game- it was like fighting your little brother with two arms tied behind your back and he still can't beat you. It was just a weird game.

Iowa can absolutely win this game. Any given Saturday. Michigan will have to bring it's A game. I just don't think they're going to be asleep at the wheel here.
Oh my it really is feast or famine with you. Two days ago you thought your team sucked and you wanted to fire Harbaugh. Now you are downplaying their shortcomings and talking like they are on their way to a NC.

IMHO they weren't as bad as you thought they were on Friday and they aren't as good as you think they are today.

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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2021, 08:30:18 PM »
There have been 2 games where teams did not bring their A-game to the BTCG. 2012 Wisc. 70 - Neb. 31, and 2014 Ohio St 59 - Wisc. 0. I would not count on Michigan bringing its B-game if I were Captain Kirk.

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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2021, 08:44:01 PM »
Kirk is a good planner.

Most times has his team ready for the challenge

just doesn't have the trench ponies like usual
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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2021, 12:01:45 AM »
Iowa also missed the top three teams from the East, was getting blasted by the fourth place team until their QB went down, and lost to two of the three bowl bound teams in their own division

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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2021, 12:59:06 AM »

just doesn't have the trench ponies like usual
Iowa also missed the top three teams from the East, was getting blasted by the fourth place team until their QB went down, and lost to two of the three bowl bound teams in their own division

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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2021, 03:21:19 AM »
Oh my it really is feast or famine with you. Two days ago you thought your team sucked and you wanted to fire Harbaugh. Now you are downplaying their shortcomings and talking like they are on their way to a NC.

IMHO they weren't as bad as you thought they were on Friday and they aren't as good as you think they are today.
Never thought they sucked. Yes, I was fed up at the time they lost to MSU and thought they should move on from Harbaugh. Two reasons: (a) I believed and still believe he was screwing up the QB situation and therefore the team by playing a vastly inferior player over JJ McCarthy. And (b): he crapped down his pants and lost when he was up 16 in basically the 4th QTR vs arch-rival #2 Sparty. Can't do that. The miracle punt muff/block return for TD with 8 seconds left in the damn game and 4th QTR collapse cost him being 5-2 in that rivalry. He's 3-4. 3-4 is just not acceptable. Neither was 0-5 vs you know who. He was 0-5 in THE rivalry- but he's earned himself some good will and gratitude with that W vs Ohio State. But he's got to earn more of those. One alone doesn't mean he can lose that game forever again. Have to stay competitive in that one and make it a real rivalry- not be the annual OSU whipping boy- which let's face it- he was. Aside from 2016- and up until Haskins came in to relieve an injured JT in 2017 and started dealing- none of those games were even close.

And I've actually said all season long that I thought this M team/roster was basically 3 players away from being a legit playoff contender- and that they had basically everything else they needed except for a legit QB (which Michigan might have with JJ), an elite #1 CB, and a true #1 WR (see: Ronnie Bell or Xavier Worthy or even better yet: both!).

Cade has been serviceable, and he's not turned the ball over and he's come through when he's had to for the most part- but he's still severely limited and he limits this pass game and therefore offense and run game. Will he be enough to get through Iowa? Maybe so, but if so it would probably because Iowa has a truly terrible offense and the pressure would not be on him to have to score lot of points. But in a shoot-out vs a really good offense, do I trust him to go blow for blow? Absolutely not. Michigan has gotten more out of their passing game than they were showing very early on in the season- but they still need to take that passing game and bring it a loooooong way forward if they are going to do anything at all if they even get past Iowa- which again- is by no means a lock. Iowa has a terrific defense and Cade has shown he WILL put the ball in harms way- he's been very fortunate more times than not those risks have been INCs or dropped INTs. He will have to be on his absolute A++ game manager game this week and protect that ball at all costs.

As for the CB's- turns out CB Vincent Gray has truly had one of the greatest redemption seasons I've ever seen from a player- to go from where he was last year to year to where he is now- night and day. And it also turns out that Gemon Green going down with injury paved the way for soph. CB DJ Turner- who has been a revelation and a much better player than Green. Turner hadn't really gotten on the field much at all as a froshie in COVID SEASON last year and hadn't really played much this year until SR CB Gemon Green went down with injury.  Gray has played way above his head and turns out DJ Turner might be way better than the 3* ranking and all he needed was an opportunity. He certainly had the athletic profile to be a high quality CB- just didn't play the position much in HS and was a bit on the smallish size. Looks like that time in the weight room and getting more reps at the new position has been paying off for him.

As for the WR's- really surprised me. But I always felt that there is a lot more talent there than people wanted to give them credit for. They have plenty of guys that can play the position and that are plus athletes. Roman Wilson, AJ Henning, Cornelius Johnson, and Andrel Anthony all look very fluid/smooth/explosive to me. These are plus athletes. Mike Sainsitril is probably the slow guy- and he's not exactly slow. This group is pretty good- but it'd have been an embarrassment of riches and possibly even one of the elite units in the entire nation with a healthy Ronnie Bell and if Xavier Worthy had never freaking transferred to Texas right before he was set to enroll.

TLDR version: 
CB Ambry Thomas comes back for his SR year instead of goes pro after sitting out all of 2020, WR's Ronnie Bell & Worthy are in the WR corps healthy & happy, and they start JJ at QB from game 1 and let him grow- this team would be too legit to quit. 
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Re: B1G Championship: Iowa v. Michigan
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2021, 07:41:35 AM »
Michigan's DBs all played well.  Didn't seen any completed passes by Stroud to his crazy talented WRs that were wide open or behind the D.
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