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Topic: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks

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B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« on: November 18, 2024, 08:58:41 AM »
For several weeks now it has been a four-team race and nothing has changed there.  Oregon, Ohio State, and Indiana all control their own destiny while Penn State is in the race mathematically but they need help and they are running out of time.  The contenders:

8-0 Oregon:

  • Off this week
  • vs 4-4 Washington next week
7-0 Indiana:
  • at 6-1 Ohio State this week
  • vs 0-7 Purdue next week
6-1 Ohio State

  • vs 7-0 Indiana this week
  • vs 3-4 Michigan next week
6-1 Penn State
  • at 4-3 Minnesota this week
  • vs 1-6 Maryland next week
Another factor that could play a role is the cumulative league records of these teams' league opponents.  Those are:
  • .531 Ohio State's opponents are 34-30
  • .424 Penn State's opponents are 28-38
  • .400 Oregon's opponents are 26-39
  • .354 Indiana's opponents are 23-42

The Indiana/Ohio State winner is in great shape but if that winner is Ohio State, they still need to win their final game.  If it is Indiana they don't need to beat Purdue.  Even with a loss at home to Purdue, a Hoosier team with a win over tOSU would be 7-1 and the tiebreaker in a two-team tie with PSU would end up being record against the best B1G team, then the next, etc.  Indiana would win that because tOSU would finish with a better record than Purdue.  The same factor would get IU in even in the event of a three-way tie between them, Oregon, and Penn State.  

Thus, IU is playing for a spot in the CG.  

Oregon is REALLY close to being a lock.  They get into the CG in any potential three-way tie but there is a possibility that they would miss it in the event of a four-way tie with IU, tOSU, and PSU.  As of right now, the winners of that would be tOSU and PSU based on opponents' opponents' records, see above.  

What Penn State needs:
In a word, chaos.  
First things first, the Nittany Lions need Ohio State to beat IU.  If the Buckeyes lose, the CG is a done deal between Oregon and IU.  

The problem for PSU is that after a tOSU win over IU (which they need), they are STILL only in a three-way tie with the Buckeyes and Hoosiers.  Ohio State would win that tie and either tOSU or IU would win a two-way tie with PSU so beyond tOSU beating IU they need either:
  • Oregon to lose at home to UWash and the others to win thus creating a 4-way tie that, as of right now, PSU finishes second in and second is good enough for one of the two spots in the CG. OR
  • Ohio State AND Indiana to lose their Rivalry Weekend games thus dropping the Buckeyes and Hoosiers both to 7-2.  


Short version:
You can kinda "pencil in" Oregon vs tOSU/IU winner" but there are a few scenarios in which it doesn't work out that way.  

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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2024, 09:02:58 AM »
Let's imagine Ohio State beats UI and Oregon wins as well, you have a rematch, and say OSU wins to get that top seed.  Oregon then is seeded say at 8, playing 9 at home, and winning ....

Another scenario where a triple rematch is possible.

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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2024, 09:15:21 AM »
Let's imagine Ohio State beats UI and Oregon wins as well, you have a rematch, and say OSU wins to get that top seed.  Oregon then is seeded say at 8, playing 9 at home, and winning ....

Another scenario where a triple rematch is possible.
Either #8 or #5 does it.  I think that #5 is a lot more likely unless Ohio State just demolished Oregon in the B1GCG, that might drop them to #8.  

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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2024, 09:21:19 AM »
Yeah, #5 is more likely, dropping from 1 to below 5 seems unlikely.

OSU would then be 1.  We might see some unlikely names at 2-4.

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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2024, 09:23:32 AM »
The 1-4 thing needs to be fixed.

Winning the XII or ACC is NOT the same as winning the SEC or B1G.
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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2024, 09:27:53 AM »
winning any conference is not the same anymore

if you have to go through a list of tie breakers to determine a winner as above
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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2024, 09:32:52 AM »
I was going to post that Oregon has already clinched, but then I looked closer.  

SI has an article titled, "Oregon Ducks Clinch Big Ten Championship Game Berth With Win Over Wisconsin".  Then in the body of the article they say, "Barring any unlikely tie-breaking scenarios in the conference standings, Oregon will compete for the conference crown in Indianapolis."

So yeah, they haven't clinched yet, but very close.

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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2024, 09:38:24 AM »
Yes,  I would think if a 12-1 Oregon team that loses the CCG to a 12-1 Ohio St team, then OSU would be the #1 seed and Oregon would be the #5 seed.   

Although if the goal is to avoid rematches, it might work better to make Ohio St #1,   Oregon #6, PSU #7, and Indiana #10.

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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2024, 09:44:48 AM »
if you're not going to seed based on merit
seed based on rematch possibility?
have the others (Big 12, ACC, FBS) play the bottom qualifiers of the Big Ten and SEC until eliminated
THEN have the Big Ten/SEC challenge tourney
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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2024, 10:13:08 AM »
Yes,  I would think if a 12-1 Oregon team that loses the CCG to a 12-1 Ohio St team, then OSU would be the #1 seed and Oregon would be the #5 seed. 

Although if the goal is to avoid rematches, it might work better to make Ohio St #1,  Oregon #6, PSU #7, and Indiana #10.
This is interesting because I think it is reasonably likely that the B1G will have 4 teams in the CFP and they *COULD* end up being:
  • #1 tOSU/Oregon winner
  • #5 tOSU/Oregon loser
  • #8 Penn State
  • #9 Indiana

In that case CFP games *COULD* be:
Opening Round:
  • Indiana at Penn State (a great B1G game that wasn't played this year)
  • Boise (or other tallest midget) at tOSU/Oregon loser.  
Second weekend:
  • Indiana/PSU winner vs tOSU/Oregon winner
  • tOSU/Oregon loser vs worst P4 Champion
Semi-Finals:
  • tOSU/Oregon v 3.0



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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2024, 10:23:55 AM »
The SEC will probably get four in as well, and the question becomes then who  gets left out? 

Bama, UGA, Tenn, Ole Miss, Texas/A&M ..... if only four, who gets left out?  Let's say Bama beats Texas in a CG, then Texas "lost" out by getting into the CG in the first place.  It's all quite weird.

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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2024, 10:34:47 AM »
The SEC will probably get four in as well, and the question becomes then who  gets left out?

Bama, UGA, Tenn, Ole Miss, Texas/A&M ..... if only four, who gets left out?  Let's say Bama beats Texas in a CG, then Texas "lost" out by getting into the CG in the first place.  It's all quite weird.
The committee has been pretty consistent about not punishing teams for losing a CG that they only had to play because they did well to get there.  Thus, I think the CFP will be:
  • B1G Champ
  • SEC Champ
  • ACC Champ
  • B12 Champ
  • B1GCG loser
  • SECCG loser
  • Other B1G/SEC team
  • Other B1G/SEC team
  • Other B1G/SEC team
  • Other B1G/SEC team
  • Other B1G/SEC team
  • G5 Champ, probably Boise

There is a HUMONGOUS advantage, IMHO, to getting #7 or #8 as opposed to #9-11.  


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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2024, 10:39:06 AM »
So, only three non B1G/SEC teams?  No Notre Dame?

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Re: B1G CG Race heading into the last two weeks
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2024, 04:38:10 PM »
IF the Big Ten was split into 4 geographic divisions

.....

West

Ore 9-0,  Wash 4-4,  USC 3-5,  UCLA 3-5

Oregon would have the West clinched

.....

North

Iowa 4-3,  Minn 4-3,  Wisc 3-4,  Neb 2-5,  NW 2-5

Iowa controls it's own Destiny and just needs to win out  to win the North

Minn is still alive and could tie for first if it wins out.

Wisc, Neb, NW are still alive and all have a mathematical chance to tie for first at 4-5

.....

South

Ind 7-0,  ILL 4-3,  Mich 3-4,  MSU 2-5,  Pur 0-7

Indiana has clinched the South

......

East

OSU 6-1,  PSU 6-1,  Rut 3-4,  MD 1-6

OSU controls its own destiny and just needs to win out to win the East

PSU is still alive and could tie for first if it wins out.


 

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