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Cincydawg

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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #56 on: June 19, 2023, 03:27:20 PM »
I think MSU signed Tucker after a rather good year (11-1) with the fear he would otherwise jump ship.

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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #57 on: June 19, 2023, 03:50:41 PM »
Better to be lucky than good sometimes.
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2023, 05:05:03 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on June 19, 2023, 03:23:08 PM
Mel Tucker sticks out like a sore thumb on that list.  Tied with Ryan Day, Brian Kelly, Jumbo Fisher and $2.5M ahead of Harbaugh and Franklin?  The guy shouldn't even be ahead of Bielima or Ferentz or Fitzgerald among Big Ten coaches..  He had what, one 10-win season where he finished 3rd in the division, and that somehow got him $9.5M?  He is one lucky guy.
Contracts represent a blend of things: A program's desperation for self esteem, actual success, resources available ...

And who wanted your coach at a given time. Tucker was good when a money cannon was looking. MSU bit the bullet. 
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2023, 05:05:23 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 19, 2023, 03:27:20 PM
I think MSU signed Tucker after a rather good year (11-1) with the fear he would otherwise jump ship.


It was a midseason move when LSU was calling 
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2023, 07:26:23 AM »
I hope he's sending Kenneth Walker some of that money.
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2023, 10:09:42 AM »
Quote from: CatsbyAZ on June 17, 2023, 12:56:32 PM
To the fans who retort "more money, better coaches and better faculties, etc..." I believe your words quantify a point I'm trying to make about the structural limit to paying more for better coaching or picking up the arms race of better facilities. If ALL 16 SEC Teams pay their head coach $15M/yr thanks to the new TV deal it doesn't progressively yield more Sabans or Kirby Smarts.

I however DO agree that pouring money into Recruiting has a better ROI chance than pouring money into facilities and coaching. Coach Mike Locksley says as much, telling the Atlantic:

“I feel like I’ve got my legs cut from underneath me. Because my strength in recruiting isn’t some slick salesman job, it’s built on the longevity of relationships. And now the way the college landscape is with the NIL, the transfer portal — everything is pretty much transactional, and relationships have kind of gone out of the window.”

From Outkick: “It’s not to say that money is everything in recruiting these days. Prospects are still keeping coaching staff, playing time, and culture in mind, but things like resources and facilities are less important than they were just three years ago. Maryland is the perfect example. Locksley’s team moved into a brand-new, $149 million football-only facility, just last year. The Jones-Hill House is beautiful.”

“Unfortunately, it doesn’t really matter. The role that it plays in recruiting is minimal in contrast to NIL. Locksley will be the first to say so and he did not hold back: “Unfortunately, we moved in at a time when facilities have been de-emphasized in a recruit’s mind. Because they’d get dressed in the trash can for $25,000.”

“Name, Image and Likeness changed the entire operating system of, and behind collegiate football. The amount of money pumped into an NIL collective and success in recruiting have a direct correlation. Everything else, like facilities, take a back seat. Locksley and Maryland can’t keep up.”


https://twitter.com/Outkick/status/1670975001447596033
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2023, 05:20:10 PM »
To the fans who retort "more money, better coaches and better faculties, etc..." I believe your words quantify a point I'm trying to make about the structural limit to paying more for better coaching or picking up the arms race of better facilities. If ALL 16 SEC Teams pay their head coach $15M/yr thanks to the new TV deal it doesn't progressively yield more Sabans or Kirby Smarts.

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Yes,  but its not just a coincidence that Saban, Smarts and Kelly's all ended up in the SEC. 
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2023, 09:16:07 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 19, 2023, 03:27:20 PM
I think MSU signed Tucker after a rather good year (11-1) with the fear he would otherwise jump ship.


He lost by 50 to OSU a few days after receiving the midseason contract extension. 
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2023, 07:02:17 AM »
The NIL comment vs facilities is a cogent comment.  The facilities race may be somewhat over, or abated anyway.  No doubt it's good to have first class stuff and an impressive stadium etc., but money is money and King of most things in life.

I do wonder how much NIL varies from program to program and from player to player.  I presume the third string long snapper gets squat.  Who would be the worst played on any team to get anything?  I'd guess to be at all legit, the player would need some name recognition, no?
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2023, 08:59:15 AM »
i wonder if 1099's are given or how they claim their income
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2023, 09:05:18 AM »
Quote from: Benthere2 on June 22, 2023, 08:59:15 AM
i wonder if 1099's are given or how they claim their income
If you earned income from NIL activities, you were probably paid like an independent contractor, and you are considered self-employed. If you earned $600 or more, your income will be reported on Form 1099-NEC.Mar 1, 2023
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2023, 10:10:34 PM »
a good reason the bagman is still in play
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2023, 09:55:07 AM »
Was looking through team previews and saw this snippet re: Oklahoma State’s upcoming schedule:



Nobody really talks about Ok St around here but with all the inter-conference arms-racing, schedules are becoming quite out of sorts when the Cowboys have no games Vs any of their usual Texas rivals.
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Re: B1G 2024 & 2025 Schedule
« Reply #69 on: July 02, 2023, 10:01:25 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 22, 2023, 10:10:34 PM
a good reason the bagman is still in play

Less and less so, with each passing year.  NIL money is just too easy to provide, as it can be easily crowd-sourced, and as the players get more sophisticated, they'll learn how to handle the legal/tax implications.  There are plenty of legit resources to help them with all of that.

Still, some coaches are just more comfortable sticking to their tried-and-true methods of paying bags under the table, so the bagman will persist until those old codgers die off.
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