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Topic: Army (1-1) at #7 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) Post Game

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Mdot21

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Re: Army (1-0) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 0-0)
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2019, 09:41:43 AM »
M needs to win and so does W. I want a big game in Madison in two weeks.
I don’t think Michigan is in serious danger of losing. Anything can happen any given Saturday, but that seems like a stretch to me. I think Michigan is in serious danger of losing defensive front 7 players to injury however. WHY they decided to schedule this game against that kind of gimmicky cut-blocking dirty offense is beyond me. Schedule Miami of Ohio or Central Michigan for this game and call it a day imo. 

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Re: Army (1-0) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 0-0)
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2019, 10:28:10 AM »
Army took OU to OT last year before the Sooners won 28-21.  OU ran 40 plays; Army ran 87.  Army averaged 4.4 yards/play on our Mike Stoops defense.

We didn't have any serious injuries that I remember.  Nor do I remember players or coaches complaining about dirty play by the O-line.  But memory is fallible and selective.

The visitor's locker room was left in immaculate condition.  I do remember that.

Sooners visit Army next year.  The game is scheduled to be in historic Michie Stadium, overlooking the beautiful Hudson River, not a larger venue in NYC as I feared.  I hope to make the trip.
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Re: Army (1-0) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 0-0)
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2019, 10:50:41 AM »
I don't think Army is dirty, per se. At least I give them the benefit of doubt in terms of integrity. But there is an undercurrent in NCAA circles to end their style of play because of its heightened correlation to leg injuries.** That's probably what MDot means.

**(as a partial remedy to triple option cut block injuries, in 2018, the NCAA outlawed blocks below the waist more than 5 yards from the LOS)

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Re: Army (1-0) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 0-0)
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2019, 03:14:03 PM »
outstanding game!!!

didn't see this coming

I took Michigan and the points
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Re: Army (1-0) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 0-0)
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2019, 03:17:37 PM »
I didn't take Michigan to cover. But it shouldn't be in overtime. The accidental Metellus TD reversal switched regulation from 21-7 (or maybe 21-14, if we argue the field reversal wasn't a big deal) to 14-14. And it wasn't reviewable. The ref will be disappointed in the mistake when the game ends. Fingers crossed, it doesn't impact the outcome.
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Re: Army (1-0) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 0-0)
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2019, 04:19:36 PM »
That game sucked. The team so far sucks. The idle week couldn't be better timed. Michigan needs it's best OT and two key DTs (Dwumfour is #1, Jeter is #3 or #2) to finally play this season. Baaaadly. They also need to figure out Shea. Is he hurt? Get him right if possible. If he's not hurt or can't get right, consider committing to DMc. Under no condition should they ever again split first through third down between QBs.

Finally, Harbaugh and Gattis need to figure out the short yardage game. That was a major strength last year. It doesn't work well from the shotgun.

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Re: Army (1-0) at #7 Michigan (1-0, 0-0)
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2019, 05:09:09 PM »
Army is a solid and dangerous team, but..............


not a good showing from Harbaugh & company
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Re: Army (1-1) at #7 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2019, 05:42:21 PM »
How much is Gattis getting paid?
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Re: Army (1-1) at #7 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2019, 06:16:40 PM »
It was a bad game by the offense, for sure. Patterson's fumbles were inexcusable to be sure, much like last week. The defense wasn't great, either, of course, but it should've never come to that. The refs stupidly blew the whistle on what would've been a fumble return for a touchdown, but that shouldn't have mattered, of course. There were some questionable PI calls both ways, too. The punt return team was also just terrible since they didn't even try to fair catch and just let it bounce further into their own side.

Fortunately the bye week is next so I think they'll figure out their mistakes, but we'll see.....
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Re: Army (1-1) at #7 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2019, 07:29:03 PM »
How much is Gattis getting paid?
Here's the thing- I don't think this is 100% his offense. The stupid play calls, the horrible use of personnel- the confusing offense with ZERO flow or rythm to it? SCREAMS of Harbaugh.

I've seen all I need to know in two games. Harbaugh's fingerprints are STILL all over this offense. Harbaugh's QB's CONTINUE to regress under him from year 1 to year 2. Damn near every one. They get WORSE. Shea looks worse this year than he did last. The "QB whisperer" is more like a QB ruiner.

I can't pin this shitshow on Gattis. This offense has a new look, but there is ZERO doubt in my mind that Harbaugh is still heavily invovled. This thing WON'T work unless he stays COMPLETELY out. That's why it's not working through 2 games. He won't stop tinkering. He's a control freak who has NO idea what he is doing when it comes to offense.

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Re: Army (1-1) at #7 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2019, 07:35:46 PM »
I thought the defense played pretty well all things considered. Army held the ball for 32 mins and they ran the ball like 64 times. Michigan's defense was on the field a lot because the Michigan offense kept stinking the joint up and because Army was holding the ball and chewing clock- and the longest gain the Michigan D gave up was I think 25 yards- and I believe that was also the only 20+ yard play they gave up. Army only had 243 total yards of offense, and both of their TD's in regulation came off of Michigan lost fumbles. The defense won the damn game by taking over on the final drive in double OT.

Offense and Special teams were the real shitshow of that game. Just a complete disappointment all around. Hard to find any bright spots whatsoever. QB play sucked. OL sucked. WR's/TE's medicore. Special teams terrible. The LONE bright spot of that entire offense was Zach Charbonnet. He had little room to run, but he kept grinding and picking up 1st downs and touchdowns and he was a MAN in blitz pick-up. Seriously. I haven't seen a freshman that good at pass blocking- oh like- ever. THAT is a future NFL RB. That is what an NFL RB looks like. Michigan hasn't had one of them in a loooooooooong time. Just a shame he was the only one to show up for the Wolverines on offense today.

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Re: Army (1-1) at #7 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2019, 07:43:49 PM »
but we'll see.....
Yeah. A "remarkable turnaround" is what they need. By definition of the term, it's rare and we shouldn't expect it. But is it possible? Yeah, and getting back LT Runyan, DT Dwumfour, DT Jeter, and WR Peoples-Jones could be major. But none of us have a great feeling about this season right now. Two weeks in, they have almost everything to prove and a couple unexpected things to undo.

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Re: Army (1-1) at #7 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2019, 07:50:56 PM »
Yeah. A "remarkable turnaround" is what they need. By definition of the term, it's rare and we shouldn't expect it. But is it possible? Yeah, and getting back LT Runyan, DT Dwumfour, DT Jeter, and WR Peoples-Jones could be major. But none of us have a great feeling about this season right now. Two weeks in, they have almost everything to prove and a couple unexpected things to undo.
Not worried about the defense. They'll be pretty good. Especially when they get some guys back.

The defense will be fine. Not worried about them in the least beat. Maybe the safeties in man to man coverage- but that's it.

The offense is a shitshow and that's not likely to change. Shea Patterson is GETTING WORSE and this OL played like crap two weeks in a row. Not sure how much getting DPJ back will help Patterson. The guy badly overthrew a wide open Nico Collins for a TD- Collins was wide open and Patterson launched it out of the back of the endzone- badly overthrown gave Nico zero shot and Nico was WIDE OPEN for the TD. Patterson also slightly overthrew a wide-open Ronnie Bell for a long gain. I still feel like Bell should've had that- but it wasn't a great throw. A better throw- Bell catches that in stride for a TD.

Patterson is missing open WR's with poor throws and he's making dumb decisions in the pass game and in the run game. That's two games in a row of this crap now. He never once kept the ball and pulled it and took off running on the read option, kept giving it to Charbonnet when a couple of times he should've kept for long gains.

Patterson is playing himself into the bench. If he keeps this shit up against Wisconsin- time to bench him in favor of McCaffrey.

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Re: Army (1-1) at #7 Michigan (2-0, 0-0) Post Game
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2019, 08:00:28 PM »
I'm disappointed too. And today's showing was unacceptable. But you're unhinged about the O, so you risk me seeming like I approve of the O's trajectory when I point out that Shea Patterson has been seriously hurt since the first half against MTSU and we've been down our starting LT and starting WR.
Let's accept the role of nuance in our lives and say two things can both be true. Today was unacceptable. And today was explainable and fixable with these coaches and this personnel.
So I agree Patterson is getting worse. But the worse the oblique injury, the more predictable it is for him to be getting worse. And the supporting cast isn't complete yet, so we're overplaying Ronnie Bell (drops) and the freshman OT's.
Get Shea, DPJ, and Runyan healthy and THEN let's judge the offense and whether the QB is getting worse. I don't think anything magical is in the offing, for the record. And I'm upset too. But your face is too red and you are concluding too much.
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