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Topic: Are divisions good or bad strategy?

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2023, 10:19:35 AM »
since there's little chance of going back...

I'd cut down the middle East-West
8 team divisions with two cross overs - 9 game schedule

if we could get some sense and go back a little...

uninvite UCLA & USC - kick out Gers and Maryland

6 team divisions with 4 cross overs - 9 games

Best would be going way back to the Big Ten

10 team conference - 9 games

The funny thing is that we CAN go back to that....by continuing forward and having 20-team conferences.
10-team divisions could be like the old AL and NL in MLB, who didn't play each other.  Then the champ from each division, who had to play everyone else in their own division, would face-off to determine the conference champ.
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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2023, 10:22:26 AM »
yup, I'm all for that

but many/most think it's a must to play every team in a 20 team conference as regularly as possible
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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2023, 11:22:49 AM »
Idk, at the point of 20 teams, the words 'division' and 'conference' become irrelevant.  
The 2 division champs play, so you EARN the right to play a team from the other division.
Yes, in actuality, it'd be 2 conferences, but we'll call it 2 divisions under the single umbrella of a conference.
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Anyway, it's a unique situation in that we COULD go back by moving forward.  
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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2023, 11:26:10 AM »
I was thnking about this in practice, with the 12-team playoff and committee.
To eliminate penalizing the loser of the CCG, CCGs would be, by rule, only for seeding purposes in determining the 4 conf champs with byes.
Ranking teams 5-12 (minus the remaining 2 conf champs) would ignore the CCGs and would be based on the regular season only.  
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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2023, 12:46:52 PM »
I'm good with that

rank the top 12 before the CCGs

then reseed before the playoff

so, 3 conferences with 60 teams or 4 conferences with 80 teams?

I'd prefer 4 with 80.

8 team playoff with the division winners

F the 12 team playoff
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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2023, 08:04:47 AM »
Once you get to 20 schools,  the Big Ten should go with 10 conference games and go with 3 tiers of scheduling

4 schools you play every year
6 schools you play every other year (50% of the time)
9 schools you play every 3 years (33% of the time)

4 + 3/3 + 3/3/3

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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2023, 09:27:15 AM »
I'd rather have 9 teams you play every year and forget about the other ten teams

unless you want to schedule one as non-con
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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2023, 10:54:16 AM »
B1G Western Conference

Chicago
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio State
Purdue
Wisconsin
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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2023, 11:45:45 AM »
B1G Western Conference

Chicago  Penn St. or Nebraska or Mich St.
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio State
Purdue
Wisconsin
perfect
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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2023, 03:44:36 PM »
MSU was first in after Chicago dropped out.
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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2023, 04:54:03 PM »
17 team conferences, 3 divisions, 2 div with 6 teams, 1 with 5.
each div plays all other in their div, plus 3 out of div. yes, this creates uneven schedules for the 5 team div.
conf cg participants are the 2 6 team div winners, unless the 5 team div winner has the same or fewer losses as 1 of the 6 team div winners AND has a win over the 6 team div winner in the reg season.
teams within each division are rotated at least every 3 years, but sometimes sooner. division swap scenarios:
  • if the situation above happens (5 team div has better record than winner of 6 team div AND beats that team in reg season) AND the 5 team div winner wins ccg, the original 6 team div winner that lost in reg season swaps divisions with the 5 team div winner. 
  • If any of the teams in either of the 6 team div go winless in conference in any single year, AND the 5 div winner goes undefeated in div, they swap.
  • If 1 teams in both 6 team div go winless, then those 2 6 team div winners play same week as ccg to see who swaps with the 5 team div winner. if that also coincides with the 5 team div winner wins ccg and therefore the 6 team div winner should swap, the 6 team div winner would not have to swap, it would be the loser of the game between winless teams.
  • if none of that happens in a 3 year span from the last division shift, then the 2 teams in the 5 team division with the best overall 3 year division record (ties decided by h2h) move to one of the 6 team divisions (team with better record choose which div, ties again h2h determined), while the team with the worst record in each 6 team division move to the 5 team div (again, ties broke by h2h).

this is all off top of my head, but i'm sure there are no holes.

i mean, if we're going to go ridiculous, might as well do it right, right?

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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2023, 07:03:47 PM »
A 17-team conference can not play a 9-game conference schedule.  Going to 17-teams would require a switch to 8-game or 10-game conference schedules, or else would require teams to play an unequal number of conference games.

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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2023, 07:19:26 PM »
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Re: Are divisions good or bad strategy?
« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2023, 08:56:52 PM »
If you're going sideways with it, just put M, OSU, and USC in one division and everyone else in the other one.
Champs play each other.
Duh.
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