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FearlessF · « **Reply #154 on:** October 15, 2019, 05:31:16 PM »

yes, until there's an upset that knocks our best team out of the 4-team playoff

847badgerfan · « **Reply #155 on:** October 15, 2019, 05:44:20 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on October 15, 2019, 05:19:35 PM

Aren't we glad we have conference championship games?

Not at all.

Unless, of course, you're a helmet school and you can lose one, or completely miss one, and still play for a title.

Grr...

MrNubbz · « **Reply #156 on:** October 15, 2019, 05:59:21 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 15, 2019, 04:19:25 PM

Assuming UW and OSU are both otherwise unbeaten by any other teams (HUGE assumption, especially with UW in the better division):

Put that thing out you'll burn your fingers

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #157 on:** October 15, 2019, 06:05:24 PM »

Quote from: CWSooner on October 15, 2019, 05:19:35 PM

Aren't we glad we have conference championship games?

Never affected my season.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #158 on:** October 15, 2019, 07:48:43 PM »

Kind of interesting, still hearing the chatter about two teams from the SEC in the playoffs, despite having only two undefeated teams left.

Big Ten, with four- yet you never hear that. Watch Ohio State v Wisconsin split two close games, and both finish with one loss. You can bet they would both be eliminated.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #159 on:** October 15, 2019, 08:14:07 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 15, 2019, 04:19:25 PM

Assuming UW and OSU are both otherwise unbeaten by any other teams (HUGE assumption, especially with UW in the better division):

Ya know what happens if UW beats OSU twice? UW goes to the playoff, and OSU goes to the Rose Bowl.

Ya know what happens if UW beats OSU once and loses once? OSU goes to the playoff.

Ya know what happens if UW loses to OSU twice? UW goes to the Cotton to play a G5 school and PSU goes to the Rose Bowl.

And yeah, it's October, dammit.

B1G-W the better division? Well they definitely have the best worst teams, but I think that the B1G-E has more legitimate contenders (tOSU, PSU, maybe M) vs the B1G-W with just UW and maybe Iowa.

If tOSU and UW both go unbeaten otherwise, split the two-game series this year, and both finish 12-1 I do NOT think it is a given that Ohio State would go to the CFP. I think it would depend on three things in this order of relevance:

Which team won the second match-up. Big bonus to win the B1GCG.
Which team looks better in the two games combined. Ie, if tOSU wins by a missed XP in OT in Columbus then loses by four TD's in Indianapolis that would heavily favor UW.
Which team looks more dominant in their 11 other wins.

CWSooner · « **Reply #160 on:** October 15, 2019, 11:09:02 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 15, 2019, 07:48:43 PM

Kind of interesting, still hearing the chatter about two teams from the SEC in the playoffs, despite having only two undefeated teams left.

Big Ten, with four- yet you never hear that. Watch Ohio State v Wisconsin split two close games, and both finish with one loss. You can bet they would both be eliminated.

Yep. But have two 1-loss teams left in the SEC, and there will be a mediots chorus demanding that they both make it in.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #161 on:** October 16, 2019, 12:11:01 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 15, 2019, 07:48:43 PM

Kind of interesting, still hearing the chatter about two teams from the SEC in the playoffs, despite having only two undefeated teams left.

Big Ten, with four- yet you never hear that. Watch Ohio State v Wisconsin split two close games, and both finish with one loss. You can bet they would both be eliminated.

That would be a stupid bet. If the world were defined by those few comments one hears that trigger them, sure. But the world is not that way.

If we get to that point, we're probably in a world with three undefeated conference champs (SEC, ACC, Big 12). A 1-loss conference champ from the B1G isn't losing to 1-loss Oregon or ND, so we're basically saying it's 1-loss conference champ OSU or UW vs 11-1 LSU or Bama (no SEC East team can have one loss without winning the conference). If OSU is 12-1 with a loss to UW, I'm dubious anyone jumps the. UW would be an interesting case owing to an atrocious non-conference schedule (OSU at least has Cincy). And even then, I'm kinda dubious.

Granted, there aren't a ton of scenarios when it matters, and most of the time they solve themselves.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #162 on:** October 16, 2019, 12:12:02 AM »

Quote from: CWSooner on October 15, 2019, 11:09:02 PM

Yep. But have two 1-loss teams left in the SEC, and there will be a mediots chorus demanding that they both make it in.

In our modern world, it is very easy to find a chorus of voices you don't like.

It's also easy to not obsess over those voices, but that's oft hard to do.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #163 on:** October 16, 2019, 08:21:42 AM »

While you are correct in that it is a highly unlikely scenario- it would be no more “ stupid” bet than betting the opposite.

Let’s say Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma go undefeated and LSU has only a close loss to Bama. Wisconsin loses a close game in Columbus but beats OSU in a close game in the BTCG.

Are you confident Wisconsin would go over LSU? If yes- than I would say that is a stupid bet. Not that any of this matters.

utee94 · « **Reply #164 on:** October 16, 2019, 08:36:09 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 16, 2019, 08:21:42 AM

While you are correct in that it is a highly unlikely scenario- it would be no more “ stupid” bet than betting the opposite.

Let’s say Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma go undefeated and LSU has only a close loss to Bama. Wisconsin loses a close game in Columbus but beats OSU in a close game in the BTCG.

Are you confident Wisconsin would go over LSU? If yes- than I would say that is a stupid bet. Not that any of this matters.

I think the bigger doomsday scenario is the opposite-- Alabama loses a close one to LSU, the Geaux Tigers go undefeated and win the SEC.

Because I think ESPN has a harder time leaving out Alabama, than it does LSU. I think a 1-loss conference champ Wisconsin has a pretty good chance at going over a 1-loss non-champ LSU.

But a 1-loss non-champ Alabama... well... that's another thing entirely.

ELA · « **Reply #165 on:** October 16, 2019, 08:56:20 AM »

Week 7 NCAA Tournament projections

24		APPALACHIAN STATE
3		CLEMSON
		NOON - espn2
	.		.
19		SMU
4		OHIO STATE
		1:30 - ESPN
	.		.
10		GEORGIA
7		PENN STATE
		3:00 - ABC
	.		.
		FLORIDA ATLANTIC
2		LSU
		4:30 - espn2
	.		.
		WESTERN MICHIGAN
1		ALABAMA
		6:00 - ESPN
	.		.
9		FLORIDA
8		NOTRE DAME
		7:30 - ABC
	.		.
12		OREGON
6		WISCONSIN
		9:00 - espn2
	.		.
14		BOISE STATE
5		OKLAHOMA
		10:30 - ESPN

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #166 on:** October 16, 2019, 12:03:43 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on October 16, 2019, 08:36:09 AM

I think the bigger doomsday scenario is the opposite-- Alabama loses a close one to LSU, the Geaux Tigers go undefeated and win the SEC.

Because I think ESPN has a harder time leaving out Alabama, than it does LSU. I think a 1-loss conference champ Wisconsin has a pretty good chance at going over a 1-loss non-champ LSU.

But a 1-loss non-champ Alabama... well... that's another thing entirely.

In theory LSU's higher SoS would help them but I think you are likely right simply because Alabama has been so phenomenal in the CFP. They lost their first ever CFP game and they haven't lost a semi-final since. In the last four years Bama has gone 4-0 in CFP semi-finals to get to four straight NC games and they have gone 2-2 in those NC's.

FearlessF · « **Reply #167 on:** October 16, 2019, 01:50:55 PM »

let's wait until December to worry about a conference getting screwed by the SEC and the committee

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