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Topic: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)

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MarqHusker

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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #140 on: September 29, 2019, 12:25:41 AM »
I keep missing osu v N games and keep missing...nothing.

I was just thinking the same about UCLA v AZ.   Couple nice late night games.

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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #141 on: September 29, 2019, 12:36:20 AM »
What do you think Nebraska needs to do? Is it mostly recruiting; or coaching staff?

I know the defense is weak. But this offense which is great seems not to care about ball security. Nebraska could in some ways be competitive; if they could hold onto the ball
Let's not kid around,  osu is 3 to 4 TDs better than this team any day this season.  The turnovers by Nebraska this past decade plus are incredible. Stats don't lie.  They repeatedly put themselves in dire straits w/o regard to opponent.
Presently,  they still have a big deficit on the roster.  I'm more encouraged now than I've been in a very long time, , Riley was much of a zero as Callahan but I had no expectations of a competitive 4th qtr tonight.  However, you go minus 3 in 17 minutes?  Really.    ESPN/ABC fooled a lot of people this week.


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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #142 on: September 29, 2019, 12:45:43 AM »
I keep missing osu v N games and keep missing...nothing.

I was just thinking the same about UCLA v AZ.  Couple nice late night games.
Come on back to the B12 my friend.  At least we only beat y'all by 1 or 2 most years.... ;)

Anyway, sorry, just making light.  I expected that one to be closer.

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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #143 on: September 29, 2019, 12:49:21 AM »
I hated Brown’s decision.  With 1:14 left you aren’t guaranteeing yourself a win with the two but you are all but guaranteeing yourself a loss if you miss.  The risk doesn’t match the reward.  With 14 seconds left, sure do it.  But with that much a time a FG beats you either way.  Just kick the XP.  Reminded me of Gundy’s decision to go for 2 against Oklahoma last year.  Time on the clock matters.
Agree, I find myself really pulling for Mack Brown this season and this was a heartbreaking loss. Tie the game up if you can, you've played pretty well against the defending national champs and you're at home.  This was a baffling decision to me.

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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #144 on: September 29, 2019, 12:52:46 AM »
I'll defend Mack Brown on the decision.   Clemson crushed that play though.  Like they had 18 guys on d.

Why agree to play more football against a superior opponent?  They also likely felt good about the way their offense was going. 

Clemson of course had 117 to break a tie. 

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« Reply #145 on: September 29, 2019, 01:16:42 AM »
I'll defend Mack Brown on the decision.  Clemson crushed that play though.  Like they had 18 guys on d.

Why agree to play more football against a superior opponent?  They also likely felt good about the way their offense was going.

Clemson of course had 117 to break a tie.

Why try for 2 when Clemson has 18 guys on D? :)

Bottom line-- You're at home.  Get the XP, tie the game, and see what happens in OT. 

Clemson already had 59 minutes to do more damage and failed.  As the home team I like my chances to tie it up, hold them off, and put it into OT.


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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #146 on: September 29, 2019, 01:40:49 AM »
I like the one play odds from the 3, with the ball, vs 2 series vs Clemson at the 25.  

Makes me want to issue a grant to research OT games involving large dogs.

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« Reply #147 on: September 29, 2019, 01:41:45 AM »
Agree, I find myself really pulling for Mack Brown this season and this was a heartbreaking loss. Tie the game up if you can, you've played pretty well against the defending national champs and you're at home.  This was a baffling decision to me.
If you play more football against a better team, your odds of losing go up. Their odds of finding themselves go up. You don't let the defending champs hang around. 

Lets put it this way, if you told Mack he needs to win a coin toss and get one defensive stand before the game, he'd take it. 

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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #148 on: September 29, 2019, 03:02:20 AM »
On UNC:  right call, wrong play.  Don't let the result affect the opinion of the decision.  The thinking behind going for 2 is sound.  






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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #149 on: September 29, 2019, 06:35:16 AM »
OSU should get some first place votes, but the polls take care of themselves if you keep winning.  Not everyone will.

Does this "refocus" Clemson or is it a sign they have lost something?

I'd probably tie the game and try in OT.  There is perhaps more credit in an OT loss than a one point RT loss (??).  But he sent a sign he trusted his players.

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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #150 on: September 29, 2019, 06:54:58 AM »

Bottom line-- You're at home.  Get the XP, tie the game, and see what happens in OT. 

Clemson already had 59 minutes to do more damage and failed.  As the home team I like my chances to tie it up, hold them off, and put it into OT.
Agreed Clemson was not playing like the better team they were flat and uninspired all game and NC had the mojo.The longer it went on they felt uncertain and were getting exposed.They'd lose to plenty of top ten teams
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #151 on: September 29, 2019, 07:19:39 AM »
One close win against a mediocre (or worse) team doesn't mean you aren't still pretty good (OSU 2002).

In a few weeks, it might be forgotten as an event (largely).


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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #152 on: September 29, 2019, 07:34:01 AM »
Pat Fitzgerald who I consider a good coach didn't help his team yesterday.The funny thing was this week he made a statement about the criticism coming from the fans/media.This Saturday he deserved it.You take those easy points when you can and go for two when the situation demands it.Specially the last time he went for 2 vs the Badgers.By not taking the XP he made it a 2 possession scoring problem instead of 1
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Re: And the Blackshirts Shall Halt the Wind (SOC 9/28/19)
« Reply #153 on: September 29, 2019, 07:57:17 AM »
On UNC:  right call, wrong play.  Don't let the result affect the opinion of the decision.  The thinking behind going for 2 is sound. 







The result isn’t affecting my opinion.  I was listening on the radio while driving and as soon as they said UNC was going for 2 I told my wife (who didn’t care), “Just kick the XP, too much time left.”  It’s risk/reward.  If UNC gets the 2 point conversion I don’t know what their win probability jumps up to but it isn’t as high as their loss probability if they fail.  Like I mentioned earlier, getting the 2 doesn’t guarantee the win but missing it basically guarantees a loss because at that point you are pinning your hopes on an onside kick and we know the success rate for that isn’t very good.

The more time the opposing team has to get the ball back and kick a GW FG the worse it makes the decision.  With 1:14 left that is still too much time.  If a team is going to do that they should do it when the game is going to hinge on that one play.  The win probability equals (or basically equals) the loss probability.  WVU’s decision last year to go for 2 against Texas with 16 seconds left makes much more sense than UNC doing the same thing with 1:14 left.

 

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