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Topic: All-Time OSU help - By Decade

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2021, 10:51:39 AM »
OSU RBs:
80s:  Byars, Spencer, Workman, Snow
90s:  George, Pearson, Wiley, R.Smith (or R.Harris)
00s:  C.Wells, Pittman, Herron, Wells
10s: Elliott, Dobbins, Hyde, Weber
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Any edits?
For the 00s, I had to use some edge/cutoff guys, as I didn't want to include Lydell Ross and his 3.9 ypc average in there.  
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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2021, 10:52:32 AM »
Three consecutive posts in a thread illustrates that a person is posting faster than they are thinking.

Not a good sign.
Some of us think faster than others, friend. 
Are OSU people incapable of staying on-topic?  
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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #58 on: February 18, 2021, 11:00:51 AM »
An intelligent person would collect their thoughts, and craft a singular response. 

A person that lacks impulse control fires off three zingers in a row like Costanza, thinking that the latest one tops the previous one(s). 

Wake me up when you get to "Jerk Store." Right now you are only about 100 zingers short of George's lamest one. 
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2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #59 on: February 18, 2021, 11:12:17 AM »
Now you're just bored.  Moveon.org
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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2021, 11:21:20 AM »

People are idiots.

Cardale Jones had one of the greatest QB careers in OSU history. 11-0 with a NC? Who can look down their nose at that? Not Troy Smith. Not Braxton Miller. Not JT Barrett. Not Haskins, nor Fields, nor Krenzel, nor Hoying, nor Schlichter, nor... well you get the idea.

Does anyone really think they lose to MSU's backup QB with Jones behind center? Really? What evidence do you base that on?

Yet all we heard was how JT is this "great leader" while Cardale Jones had "character issues" even though JT Barrett was getting DUIs and having domestic instances involving police, while the worst thing that Cardale did was say that homework sucks while he was a freshman.

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And no, FTR I don't think that Fro actually gives a crap about JT Barrett. He is just a troll that likes to stir chit up. Best to talk around him rather than to him, imo. But instead people will predictably engage him for pages and pages on end, while the moron masterbates.
So, to the bolded part, the evidence is that he wasn't very good that year? Like really, he wasn't. I get that he was 11-0, but Barrett was 38-6, and people tell me that's nothing special. If Jones had been allowed to keep playing so-so ball and they lose somewhere, we'd get to hear about how there was a top-5 Heisman finisher languishing on the bench. Jones just had not been very good that year, MSU had a very good defense and Zeke was a damn mess the week before that game. (Also, there's no real way that "evidence" can be used in a game that didn't happen. It's all speculation, which tends to take on the tone and feelings of what we want)

So, I actually don't think OAM is trolling (well, at one point he wasn't, it's kinda degraded at this point) because he and OSU fans are engaging in a sort of classic sports debate between fans of a team and observers. Outsiders by and large see players for what they are and fans at times see them for what they are not (and then often build out a logical structure around that). Outsiders say "JT set all the record and led lots of very good teams/teams that did what very good teams do." OSU fans explain, no, we should've been better, but this record-setting player was simply not good enough, and the baseline is at worst record-setting players as good as him. It's not a level of entitlement, but a sort of ever-present expectation to be a little bit better.

And it happens with most fanbases. I've seen fans of a productive but inconsistent QB lament that the backup they bitched about ever signing didn't take over the job after one solid-isn start. In the moment, and after, you always believe you should've been a bit better, and perhaps if this guy had been better, you would've gotten there. It's just kind of a classic discussion. I mean, if I say on this board "JT Barrett was a pretty good offensive player and a great Buckeye" people get PISSED and we get in big fights. Literally saying a record-setting Buckeye was very good is considered trolling.

(A good example of this is the benching of Jones vs the benching of Hurts. Benching a 26-1 starter is considered a moment of genius, in part because it worked and in part because it's a drive-by fact. If someone doesn't blow a coverage, they probably lose that game because of a bad sack he took, and there's no myth there. Benching Jones was a move that took some chutzpah and certianly not sticking with the status quo, but it didn't end in a title and gets stacked down the line with the rest of the Barrett complex)

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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2021, 11:56:22 AM »
Jones sucked because the OC sucked as a play caller, running the "JT Barrett" offense instead of tailoring it to Cardale's strengths like Tom Herman did. On top of that it was the "Tressel ball" version of the JT offense where they run on first and second down, then throw on third and long.

JT sucked that year too. He lost a home game vs MSU's backup QB, FFS.
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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2021, 12:31:32 PM »
Jones sucked because the OC sucked as a play caller, running the "JT Barrett" offense instead of tailoring it to Cardale's strengths like Tom Herman did. On top of that it was the "Tressel ball" version of the JT offense where they run on first and second down, then throw on third and long.

JT sucked that year too. He lost a home game vs MSU's backup QB, FFS.
Yes. Refer to my above post about the fruitlessness of the debate this will set us off on. 

I'm not in the mood to get cussed out over this and argue about games that didn't happen or decisions that weren't made. Everyone should've started over Barrett. Urbs is a dunce about who he picks to run his offenses after watching his practices and if he's been a little bit smarter about this singular thing, he would've gone to all three more playoffs and won maybe another title or two. 

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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2021, 12:51:39 PM »
People are idiots.
And no, FTR I don't think that Fro actually gives a crap about JT Barrett. He is just a troll that likes to stir chit up. Best to talk around him rather than to him, imo. But instead people will predictably engage him for pages and pages on end, while the moron masterbates.
Great Post - every...single...word

https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/september-9-creek-of-consciousness-(irma-edition)/
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https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/2-ohio-state-(1-1)-vs-5-oklahoma-(2-0)-postgame/56/

Many stated the obvious then,too bad we don't have the '16 archives from the other board.But JT's diminishing skills were discussed there also and on the Buckeye Boards.In '14 before he got his leg broke JT put up very good numbers he could run well enough to keep the DBs honest.That injury effected either his mechanics or mind set or quite possibly both.But it was obvious to those who actually watched the games and/or attended practices those darts became dying quails sadly
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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2021, 12:56:14 PM »
Yes. Refer to my above post about the fruitlessness of the debate this will set us off on.

I'm not in the mood to get cussed out over this and argue about games that didn't happen or decisions that weren't made. Everyone should've started over Barrett. Urbs is a dunce about who he picks to run his offenses after watching his practices and if he's been a little bit smarter about this singular thing, he would've gone to all three more playoffs and won maybe another title or two.


Nice. I think you just set some sort of world record for (logical fallacy:word) ratio. 
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2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2021, 12:59:25 PM »
Great Post - every...single...word

https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/september-9-creek-of-consciousness-(irma-edition)/
or
https://www.cfb51.com/big-ten/2-ohio-state-(1-1)-vs-5-oklahoma-(2-0)-postgame/56/

Many stated the obvious then,too bad we don't have the '16 archives from the other board.But JT's diminishing skills were discussed there also and on the Buckeye Boards.In '14 before he got his leg broke JT put up very good numbers he could run well enough to keep the DBs honest.That injury effected either his mechanics or mind set or quite possibly both.But it was obvious to those who actually watched the games and/or attended practices those darts became dying quails sadly
I'd be most interested in the 2015 and first half of 2016 to be honest. It felt like, in my memory, folks turned on him late in that 2016 run and the Clemson game put the nail in it. By 2017, people were punching bagging him. He also feeds my theory that being a long-term starting QB in CFB is often a bit of a curse, especially if you start well.

I keep waiting for someone to write a big story on those practices. I'm surprised I've not seen some players somewhere come out and definitively say the backup was better than the starter in 2016 or 2017. The only person I know who was there for those practices has never spoken up on the subject, but perhaps some day, I'll ask. 

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« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2021, 12:59:57 PM »

Nice. I think you just set some sort of world record for (logical fallacy:word) ratio.
What's illogical there? 

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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2021, 01:12:07 PM »
Yes. Refer to my above post about the fruitlessness of the debate this will set us off on.

I'm not in the mood to get cussed out over this and argue about games that didn't happen or decisions that weren't made. Everyone should've started over Barrett.
Dabo figured it out took every thing away underneath to the tune of 31-0.For 2 seasons fans expressed concern about what eventually came to fruition.Did you actually watch the contest?The announcers questioned JT's arm strength/accuracy,as did the beer vendors and Cindy who hardly watches football.Yet after completely getting white washed URBZ turned around and gave the job right back to JT in spring camp after just 3 series.With Haskins/Burrow on the bench - that doesn't even pass the say it out loud test - say that out loud and see how it sounds.You really didn't have to be Pop Warner or Amos Alonzo Stagg to read the tea leaves.
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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2021, 01:17:47 PM »
What's illogical there?

The insinuation that anything short of giving JT Barrett slow head means that you think that he is a terrible college QB, and that Urban Meyer is a "dunce" that doesn't know anything about football. 

Come on man, you are better than that. JT Barret was a great College QB, but so was Jones, Miller, Haskins and Burrow.

OSU generally has more than one serviceable QB at a time. This ain't Wisconsin. Produce, or GTFO. "Next man up." 
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WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
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Re: All-Time OSU help
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2021, 01:23:27 PM »
Yup during the '17 season while Burrow recovered from a broken thumb everyone commented at the practices that Haskins had as strong an arm as Cardale.At the very least they should have been platooned
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