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Topic: All-Time Greats Per Program

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2025, 12:34:08 AM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on March 31, 2025, 10:32:54 AM
VY and Colt seem like the obvious top 2 for UT, but I don't know how much recency bias that might entail. 

Can a case be made for any QB's of previous eras that they were as good for their time as the two above were?  Seems like a longshot. 
Young, McCoy, Street, Ehlinger
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2025, 12:41:20 AM »
UM:  Leach, Grbac, Harbaugh, Brady.....although I should switch Brady out for McCarthy
USC:  Leinart, Palmer, Peete, C.Williams
ALA:  McCarron, Tua, Namath, B.Young
ND: Bertelli, Theismann, Quinn, Montana
OU: Mayfield, Holieway, Bradford, Davis
PSU: Fusina, Blackledge, McSorley, Hufnagel
TENN: Manning, Shuler, Bray, Holloway
OSU: Barrett, T.Smith, Greene, Stroud
FLA: Tebow, Wuerffel, Grossman, Spurrier
MIA: Dorsey, Testaverde, Kosar, Torretta
LSU: Burrow, Hodson, Russell, B.Jones
FSU: Ward, Winston, Weinke, Weldon
AUB: Sullivan, Newton, Campbell, Marshall
UGA: Murray, Stafford, Belue, Bennett
USCe: Taneyhill, Shaw, Wright, Suggs
ILL: Trudeau, George, Eason, J.Williams
MSU: Cook, Cousins, Yarema, Raye
CLEM: Lawrence, Watson, Dantzler, Jordan
OKST: Gundy, Rudolph, Weeden, Robinson
UCLA: Aikman, McNown, DTR, Beban
ARK: Mallett, Wilson, Jones, Grovey
ARMY: McAda, Bradshaw, Tucker, Caldwell....need to replace Caldwell with Daily
PUR: Brees, Orton, Everett, Griese
WV: Harris, Smith, White, Grier
PITT: Marino, Pickett, Van Pelt, Palko
GT: S.Jones, Godsey, Hamilton, Thomas
ORST: Baker, Smith, Anderson, Mannion
SYR: McNabb, McPherson, Graves, Nassib
ORE: Herbert, Musgrave, Harrington, Mariota
WIS: Bevell, Wilson, Tolzien, Stocco
STAN: Luck, Elway, Plunkett, Stenstrom
OM: E.Manning, A.Manning, Kelly, Corral
WASH: Penix, Browning, B.Huard, Sixkiller
IOWA: Long, Banks, Stanley, Tate
CU: K.Detmer, Stewart, Hagan, Sanders
ASU: Carpenter, Plummer, D.White, Van Raaphorst
VT: Vick, Taylor, Randall, Strock
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2025, 07:52:29 AM »
Alright, alright. Let's see the Buckeyes. 
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2025, 11:23:29 AM »
Indiana Hoosiers

QB - Antwaan Randle El, Nate Sudfeld, Trent Green, Dave Schnell
Rushers - Anthony Thompson, Vaughn Dunbar, Tevin Coleman, Alex Smith
Pass-Catchers - James Hardy, Courtney Roby, Ernie Jones, Thomas Lewis, Peyton Hendershot, Duane Gunn
Sacks - Adewale Ogunleye, Van Waiters, Jammie Kirlew, Greg Middleton, Mikail Kamara
INTs - Tim Wilbur, Tracy Porter, Dave Abrams, John Cannady
K - Pete Stoyanovich
P - Tyson Beattie
RET - Mitchell Paige, Marcus Thigpen

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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2025, 01:47:54 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 01, 2025, 12:41:20 AM
UM:  Leach, Grbac, Harbaugh, Brady.....although I should switch Brady out for McCarthy
100%. Brady was not an all-time great at Michigan. Chad Henne has an argument over especially Brady but also Grbac. Personally, I'd put JJ & Henne there with Leach and Harbaugh. Michigan is pretty weak at QB position. Very good basically everywhere else. 

Michigan very strong in the trenches on both sides, strong at RB, pretty solid at WR, but a little weak at LB and safety imo. 

They have a pretty awesome CB room however that will probably be slept on but stacks up at the very top with any program out there period. Charles Woodson- CB1, Ty Law- CB2, Will Johnson (backup Woodson), Leon Hall (backup Law), Mikey Sainistril (Nickel), and Jourdan Lewis (backup Nickel) and Marlin Jackson-FS/CB hybrid Flex player. That's a bunch of freaking dudes in that cornerback room.
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2025, 01:58:44 PM »
Any dude named Elvis should be on the list.
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2025, 08:04:41 PM »
Ed Zahery!!
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #49 on: April 02, 2025, 09:19:46 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 01, 2025, 12:41:20 AM
LSU: Burrow, Hodson, Russell, B.Jones

I understand the urge to have Hodson on there, as he was an important player and had a great career.  Depending on how much you factor "career" in there, it'd be hard to bump him off.  But Burrow and Russell's presence indicate a heavy emphasis is placed on a single spectacular year, in which case, Daniels goes on the list ahead of Hodson.  Even comparing across eras, Daniels senior campaign was insanity that far outshone anything Hodson ever did.  

Bert Jones kinda has to stay no matter what.  However good he was or wasn't, for LSU fans, we feel like nothing had ever happened like him before, at least not at LSU.  
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #50 on: April 02, 2025, 10:58:07 AM »
TENN: Manning, Shuler, Bray, Holloway

I'd replace Bray with Clausen, Ainge, Dobbs, Hooker, Kelly --- take your pick.
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #51 on: April 02, 2025, 07:45:28 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on April 02, 2025, 09:19:46 AM
I understand the urge to have Hodson on there, as he was an important player and had a great career.  Depending on how much you factor "career" in there, it'd be hard to bump him off.  But Burrow and Russell's presence indicate a heavy emphasis is placed on a single spectacular year, in which case, Daniels goes on the list ahead of Hodson.  Even comparing across eras, Daniels senior campaign was insanity that far outshone anything Hodson ever did. 

Bert Jones kinda has to stay no matter what.  However good he was or wasn't, for LSU fans, we feel like nothing had ever happened like him before, at least not at LSU. 
Indeed.  I really need to do a deep dive on these teams for recent 'upgrades.'  Daniels' season was probably better than Newton's as the best ever, in terms of dual-threat QB.
Thank you.
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #52 on: April 02, 2025, 09:23:33 PM »
But also, it feels wrong replacing an Archie Manning with a Jaxson Dart.  

3 of the 4 QBs on these all-time teams can be modern(ish), but I have to keep at least 1 spot open for the legends of yesteryear when passing stats were putrid.

The LSU situation works because they have 2 distant QBs on the team, so booting one is fine.  But I'm keeping a guy like Cornelius Greene on OSU because we can't have 4 guys from the last 20 years on all these teams.  

I also like having an option guy on many of these squads if possible.  So the distant past and option guy often are one and the same.

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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2025, 09:28:54 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 02, 2025, 09:23:33 PM
3 of the 4 QBs on these all-time teams can be modern(ish), but I have to keep at least 1 spot open for the legends of yesteryear when passing stats were putrid.
why?
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2025, 11:04:44 PM »
A - because I want it that way
B - my customers trend older and very likely want it that way

Plus, while the game is stats-based to produce realistic outcomes, those QBs of yesteryear were great in their time.  None measure up statistically to modern guys.

If they're all recent, then how is it an "all-time" team?  

Plus plus, a lot of these recent RPO big-stat guys are basically all the same.  Differentiate for me between OU's Mayfield, Murray, and Hurts.  Or OSU's Fields, Stroud, Barrett, Pryor, and Miller.  
They're high-comp%, low-INT dudes who use their legs.  Don't want 4 of the same guy on my all-time team, right?
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2025, 09:35:20 AM »
I figured it was "A", just wondered
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