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OrangeAfroMan

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All-Time Greats Per Program
« on: March 29, 2025, 10:23:26 AM »
I added Shedeur Sanders to CU's all-time team in my WN game.  He replaced Montez, who was in the 2000s and I don't recall, lol. 
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I'm looking at Arkansas and KJ Jefferson.  He's probably their best QB of all-time statistically, but left after 5 years to whimper away at UCF.  5 games and benched.  Not a great way to finish your college career.
But Arkansas' all-time team has Ryan Mallett, Tyler Wilson, Matt Jones, and Quinn Grovey.  Jones was tall and mobile, going to the NFL as a WR.  I'd like to keep Grovey on the team as an option...option at QB.  But Jefferson needs a spot.
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Other than that, Abdul Carter is in the top 5 sack leaders for Penn State, so he's on their all-time team. 
If any of yous guys are aware of a very recent player breaking into the top 5 of rushing, receiving, sacks, or INTs all-time, or as a top QB for a program, please let me know.  I should devote time to this, but I'm still busy producing orders, playing catch-up.
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I also created 2 new all-time teams, Arizona State and VA Tech. 
ASU has Danny White, Jake Plummer, Rudy Carpenter, and Van Raapshorst at QB.  Skattebo is one of their RBs.
VT has Vick, Tyrod Taylor, Bryan Randall, and Don Strock.
All things being similar, I opt towards a diversity of eras and include an option/running QB when possible. 

I made my own thread on this that I'll probably update here and there.  If I ever get caught up on orders. 
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2025, 10:41:36 AM »
Also, if you're curious about who I have on a certain all-time team, all positions, let me know.
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2025, 11:21:56 AM »
obviously nuttin recently from UNL

hopefully, quarterback Dylan Raiola, and wide receiver Jacory Barney will be all-time season and career leaders soon
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2025, 11:26:28 AM »
I did want to ask Nebraska guys about your QBs, historically.  More than just statistically, would you say there's a consensus on favorite QBs?
I assume Frazier is at the top, having replaced Gill.  If not, correct me.  But whereabouts down the totem pole are Crouch, Tagge, the other 80s guys, Frost, etc?  Do you even feel like there's a consensus?
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2025, 11:29:48 AM »
I'd be curious as to who is on your Wisconsin team (assuming you made one).
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2025, 11:57:53 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 29, 2025, 11:29:48 AM
I'd be curious as to who is on your Wisconsin team (assuming you made one).
QB - Wilson, Stocco, Bevell, Tolzien
Rushers (impossible task) - Dayne, Taylor, Ball, Gordon
Pass-Catchers - Abbrederis, Evans, Toon, Toon, DeRamus, Beckum
Sacks - Burke, Thompson, Bryant, Saleh, Jordan
INTs - Fletcher, Leonhard, Greyer, Messenger
K - Welch
P - Stemke
RET - Abbrederis & Williams
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2025, 12:15:33 PM »
The sacks and INT guys are largely just stats-based.  The pass-catchers are more about getting a range across eras, among the top guys.  
If it was just stats-based, everyone's all-time receivers would all be from the last 15 years.
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2025, 01:25:01 PM »
Some QB replacement examples:
Stetson Bennett replaced Fran Tarkenton for UGA.  Others on team:  Aaron Murray, Matt Stafford, Buck Belue

Bryce Young replaced Ken Stabler for Bama.  Others on team:  AJ McCarron, Tua T, Joe Willie Namath

Caleb Williams replaced Paul McDonald on USC.  Others on team: Matt Leinart, Carson Palmer, Rodney Peete

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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2025, 08:45:12 AM »
You have an all time WVU team?
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2025, 09:18:04 AM »
@Kris60 I do:

QB - Major Harris, Pat White, Will Grier, Geno Smith
RB - Cobourne, Devine, Zereoue, Slaton
WR - Austin, Bailey, Saunders, Ivy, Stills, Thomas
Sack guys - Julian Miller, Turnbull, Dante Stills, Curtis, Gary Stills
INT guys - Beasley, Steve Newberry, Bob Snider, Tom Pridemore, Tim Agee
K - Woodside
P - Sauerbrun
KR - Shawn Terry
PR - John Mallory
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All of the RBs are fairly recent and similar.  Didn't realize there were 3 Stills, lol.
Some of these guys are from way back, as the defense and special teams are almost completely stats-based.
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I'm a Major Harris fanboy.  I'm shakiest on Grier at QB.  Hostettler has the name, but the stats are rough.  If you have a QB that should/must be on the team over Grier, I'm all ears.
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2025, 11:25:28 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 29, 2025, 11:26:28 AM
I did want to ask Nebraska guys about your QBs, historically.  More than just statistically, would you say there's a consensus on favorite QBs?
I assume Frazier is at the top, having replaced Gill.  If not, correct me.  But whereabouts down the totem pole are Crouch, Tagge, the other 80s guys, Frost, etc?  Do you even feel like there's a consensus?
No consensus - especially as a favorite and not the best.
most just check national titles - Frazier & Frost (not great arms) both tough SOBs
Jerry Tagge should get more respect for throwing for over 2,000 yds in 71, but many fans are too young. 70's guys Ferragamo and David Humm.
Turner Gill was my favorite. (biased because I was a freshman in 81, when he got his first start) Threw it behind the receiver on the 2-point conversion! 80's guys - Gerry Gdowski was a great QB but only started one season because of playing behind Steve Taylor. Gdowski put up great passing stats and could really run.
Crouch doesn't get much love even though he won a hypesman.
Joe Ganz & Zac Taylor have the passing records, but that's no surprise
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2025, 02:02:21 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 30, 2025, 09:18:04 AM
@Kris60 I do:

QB - Major Harris, Pat White, Will Grier, Geno Smith
RB - Cobourne, Devine, Zereoue, Slaton
WR - Austin, Bailey, Saunders, Ivy, Stills, Thomas
Sack guys - Julian Miller, Turnbull, Dante Stills, Curtis, Gary Stills
INT guys - Beasley, Steve Newberry, Bob Snider, Tom Pridemore, Tim Agee
K - Woodside
P - Sauerbrun
KR - Shawn Terry
PR - John Mallory
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All of the RBs are fairly recent and similar.  Didn't realize there were 3 Stills, lol.
Some of these guys are from way back, as the defense and special teams are almost completely stats-based.
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I'm a Major Harris fanboy.  I'm shakiest on Grier at QB.  Hostettler has the name, but the stats are rough.  If you have a QB that should/must be on the team over Grier, I'm all ears.
If it’s strictly stats based it’s hard to argue with too much you have there.  Pac Man Jones was the best CB I’ve ever seen at WVU but he didn’t have a lot of picks.  Darryl Talley is just outside your top 5 sack guys but was a consensus AA and would be on the short list of best defensive players to ever play at the school.

Cedric Thomas at WR is probably the most curious selection.  I know he’s top 5 in receiving TD’s but is outside the top 20 in career receptions and 14th in receiving yards.  If you have any wiggle room I could give you several guys who would probably be better selections than him.  Chris Henry has pretty comparable stats to Thomas but did it in two years instead of 5, and did it in an offense that ran the ball 70% of the time.

The WR is David Sills.  You’re right, WVU has had a bunch of Stills (Gary and his two sons), but David was a Sills, not a Stills. lol.
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2025, 03:49:44 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 29, 2025, 11:21:56 AM
obviously nuttin recently from UNL

hopefully, quarterback Dylan Raiola, and wide receiver Jacory Barney will be all-time season and career leaders soon
In addition to Raiola and Barney, I would include some of our best receivers - or wingbacks in the case of Johnny Rogers.  To me, that would include Kenny Bell, Stanley Morgan, Samari (?) Toure being the most recent.  I don't know about stats but my favorite receiver was Jordan Westerkamp just for all the crazy catches he managed to make.  

And of course, Alex Henery for kicker.  His accuracy was out of this world. 
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Re: All-Time Greats Per Program
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2025, 03:51:23 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on March 30, 2025, 02:02:21 PM
If it’s strictly stats based it’s hard to argue with too much you have there.  Pac Man Jones was the best CB I’ve ever seen at WVU but he didn’t have a lot of picks.  Darryl Talley is just outside your top 5 sack guys but was a consensus AA and would be on the short list of best defensive players to ever play at the school.

Cedric Thomas at WR is probably the most curious selection.  I know he’s top 5 in receiving TD’s but is outside the top 20 in career receptions and 14th in receiving yards.  If you have any wiggle room I could give you several guys who would probably be better selections than him.  Chris Henry has pretty comparable stats to Thomas but did it in two years instead of 5, and did it in an offense that ran the ball 70% of the time.

The WR is David Sills.  You’re right, WVU has had a bunch of Stills (Gary and his two sons), but David was a Sills, not a Stills. lol.
I'm all ears.  I want a fan of the program to be satisfied with their all-time team. 
I can include Pac Man as long as WV fans aren't going to be wondering WHERE THE HELL IS TIM AGEE?!?! Cuz I have no idea who Agee is....it's a bigger sin to exclude someone who belongs than to tack on a 'best' guy who falls short statistically.
Same with Talley.  As long as dropping Gary Stills isn't a big deal, I'd include him.  

I probably included Thomas for era variety (guessing here).  I just want to avoid all receivers being from this century.  If Henry makes a lot more sense, then I can include him.
Let me know.

Thanks.
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