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Topic: All time Goofy Season, 1984

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medinabuckeye1

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All time Goofy Season, 1984
« on: April 15, 2025, 05:09:41 PM »
In the thread about consistency vs high-end we got into a tangent discussion of fortuitous timing and BYU's 1984 MNC is undoubtedly the greatest example of just a weird year.  

In other threads @betarhoalphadelta has posited that he never thought that Purdue could win an NC.  I've always disagreed and 1984 is basically my reason why.  It is probably more semantics than an actual disagreement because I think he would agree that, at least in theory, Purdue could have won an NC in the old system and I would agree with him that the actual chance was miniscule because they'd have needed to have an all-time great year and be lucky enough to have that all-time great year coincide with a year like 1984 when there were no great teams and all of the pretty good teams lost a game or two.  

I'll do the top-20 (AP was only 20 back then) in this initial post then go through the major leagues below, the final top-20:

  • 13-0 BYU, WAC
  • 11-1 Washington, Pac10:  Lost to #10 USC by 9 A
  • 9-1-1 Florida, SEC:  Lost to #18 Miami by 12 N, tied #15 LSU H
  • 10-2 Nebraska, Big8:  Lost to #6 OU by 10 A, Lost by 8 to Syracuse A
  • 10-2 Boston College, IND:  Lost by 1 to WVU and by 7 to PSU
  • 9-2-1 Oklahoma, Big8:  Lost by 11 to #2 UW Bowl, Lost by 17 to sub.500 Kansas A, tied Texas N
  • 10-2 Oklahoma State, Big8:  Lost by 14 to #4 Nebraska H and by 10 to #6 OU A
  • 10-2 SMU, SWC:  Lost by 9 to Houston H and by 6 to Texas A
  • 9-3 UCLA, Pac10:  Lost to #4 UNL by 39 H, Lost by 2 to Stanford H, Lost by 2 to Oregon H
  • 9-3 USC, Pac10:  Lost by 19 to #9 UCLA, Lost by 20 to #15 LSU, Lost by 12 to Notre Dame
  • 10-2 South Carolina, IND:  Lost by 17 to Navy A and by 7 to #7 OkSU Bowl
  • 9-3 Maryland, ACC:  Lost by 16 to Syracuse H, by 9 to Vandy H, and by 1 to PSU A
  • 9-3 Ohio State, Big10:  Lost by 5 to Purdue A, by 2 to UW A, and by 3 to #10 USC Bowl
  • 9-4 Auburn, SEC:  Lost by 21 to #3 UF, by 2 to #18 Miami, by 8 to TX, and by 2 to Bama
  • 8-3-1 LSU, SEC:  Lost by 8 to Notre Dame and by 2 to sub.500 MissSt and tied #3 UF
  • 8-4-1 Iowa, Big10:  Lost by 3 to PSU H, by 19 to #13 tOSU A, by 1 to MSU, by 6 to sub.500 Minny, and tied UW
  • 7-3-2 FSU, IND:  Lost by 1 to #14 Auburn H, by 12 to #11 USCe A, by 10 to #3 UF H, tied UGA Bowl
  • 8-5 Miami, FL, IND:  Lost by 2 to #5 BC H, by 2 to #12 UMD H, by 35 to #17 FSU H, by 8 to Mich A, and by 2 to UCLA Bowl
  • 9-3 Kentucky, SEC:  Lost by 26 to #15 LSU H, by 30 to UGA, and by 8 to #3 UF H
  • 8-2-2 Virginia, ACC:  Lost by 55 to Clemson H and by 11 to #12 UMD H, tied UNC and GaTech


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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2025, 05:37:33 PM »
I'll start closest to home with the Big Ten, 1984 final standings with AP Final where applicable:

  • 7-2/9-3 Ohio State #13, got as high as #2
  • 6-3/7-4 Illinois not ranked at any time during 1984
  • 6-3/7-5 Purdue got as high as #14
  • 5-3-1/8-4-1 Iowa #16, got as high as #5
  • 5-3-1/7-4-1 Wisconsin, got as high as #20 (remember only a top-20 then)
  • 5-4/6-6 Michigan State
  • 5-4/6-6 Michigan, got as high as #3
  • 3-6/4-7 Minnesota
  • 2-7/2-9 Northwestern
  • 0-9/0-11 Indiana

No great teams is the theme here.  This was during the Big Ten's brief experiment with playing 9 league games on a full round-robin schedule so each team played all the others.  

The league title was pretty cut-and-dried with the Buckeyes winning outright but if the Buckeyes had lost to Michigan it would have created a 4-way tie between the two of them, Illinois, and Purdue.  Not sure how the league would have broken that back then.  

The Buckeyes won the league title but with two losses (PU, UW) and they also lost the Rose Bowl.  In theory the Buckeyes were three plays from 12-0 and NC because all three losses were one-score games (by 5 in West Lafayette, by 2 in Madison, and by 3 in SoCal).  The flip side of that coin is that the Buckeyes weren't all that good.  If you played the season over again there is a good chance that Ohio State would beat Purdue and Wisconsin but lose to say Illinois and Michigan State.  


Michigan started their season with a win over #1 Miami.  That propelled them all the way to #3 (they had started #14) but the very next week they lost at home to Washington to drop back into the teens.  A few weeks later they lost at home to the Spartans to fall to 3-2 and dropped out of the rankings for good.  

Illinois (lost to IA, tOSU, M, and Stanford) and Purdue (lost to IA, IL, UW, Miami, and Virginia) were decent but not great.  

Iowa started out ranked and won their first game to move to #5 but then lost at home to PSU by a FG and followed that up by getting drilled in Columbus (45-26) and wasn't a factor in the NC race after that.  

Wisconsin had a rough start and was 3-3 in mid-October but finished with four wins and a tie in their final five regular season games to get them into the rankings then they lost to Kentucky in the HoF Bowl.  

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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2025, 08:59:35 PM »
we've had some great threads over the years (often within other threads) about the '84 season.

the weekly AP poll history in '84 is also a hoot to review.

A few noteworthy memories.
I attended that #1 Nebraska at Syracuse game in '84.   Carrier Dome was in a frenzy.   17-9 defeat.   'Cuse took a safety at the end.  Doug Dubose filled in for injured Jeff Smith at IB.  It didn't matter, Craig Sundberg had a classic QB line for a power I team, 5-16-60-0-2 and then a couple badly timed fumbles,  Cuse led 10-7 late, and put it out of reach with a TD with under 2 minutes.    I don't think either team had much more than 200 total yards.

That OU v Texas game, both top 3,  was one of the best I've ever watched in my impressionable years.   So much rain,  guys sliding all over that turf.  Switzer had that great Beat Texas hat on.   The refs were awful and made some horrific calls.  some hideous special teams (also talk about a game that is decided differently with replay review).    a lousy call on a clear INT really bails out Akers and he ends up kicking a FG for a 15-15 tie.  Switzer was livid.

That OU loss at Kansas was such a shocking score to see on the ABC score updates with Jim Lampley.

Media leading up to Jan 1 bowl games were boldly talking about what had to happen in order for BYU to be overtaken at #1.   It was like watching modern day cable news, the spin and talk during Jan 1.     What was most notable to me anyways about the Orange Bowl was OU getting flagged for unsportsmanlike for wheeling out the Sooner Schooner during the game.     Who the F were those refs and where had they been?

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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2025, 09:08:43 PM »
1984 was South Carolina's best team ever, all the way up until Spurrier.

They were going to be ranked #1 for the first time ever, as they were #2 and #1 Nebraska lost....but the Cocks went limp, losing to 4-6-1 Navy by 17 points.  Carolina has still never been ranked #1.  Ever.  

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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2025, 09:10:38 PM »
Florida shut out that Syracuse team 16-0, albeit in Gainesville.

The Gators started the year 1-1-1, before firing HC Charley Pell for cheatin' 'n such.
Galen Hall went 8-0 the rest of the way, with blowout wins over Auburn and Georgia.  Such things didn't happen for the Gators back in those days.  

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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2025, 09:24:36 PM »
I've asked my friend Harry Grimminger about his most disappointing moment as a Husker
he was a jr left guard on the 83 team that went for 2 in the orange bowl.
He says he most regrets a 4th and inches vs the Sooners in 1984 in Lincoln as a senior.  Didn't score inches away with 5:32 left in the game) and came away with a 17-7 loss vs the Sooners.

The loss ended Nebraska’s 27-game conference win string and the Huskers’ 21-game home-field win string and kept NU from clinching a fourth consecutive outright Big Eight title.

The Huskers won the stats handily – 19 first downs to nine, 373 total yards to 201 – but four key turnovers gave the Sooners the breaks they needed.
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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2025, 10:00:12 PM »
Here's an impossibly fortuitous nugget.....this thread led me to youtube to view some '84 Florida content.  And during the scoreboard show before Florida vs FSU, this pops on the screen:


They had viewers call in to vote if BYU was worthy of being #1.  This is on Dec 1, a week after BYU completed their 12-0 regular season.  On Nov 20, they leapt from 3rd to 1st, thanks to the weekend I mentioned upthread, with #1 Nebraska and #2 Carolina losing on the same day.  

And to convert those totals to percentages, it's 45% YES to 55% NO.
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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2025, 10:14:02 PM »
Normal long-distance charges likely applied.  :57:
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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2025, 10:14:25 PM »
Update:

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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2025, 10:26:35 PM »
Update:



Always liked Jim Lampley, especially on boxing.  

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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2025, 10:47:15 PM »
very very few people felt BYU was the best team in the nation on Dec. 1st or Jan. 2nd
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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2025, 11:02:41 PM »
Lampley was awesome in that role.   The sounds of teletype, typewriters and dot matrix printers in the background.  That was about your only tv source for real time scores and updates, until about 1989 when sportschannel and Headline News would produce a bu hourly segment featuring a 20something Van Earl Wright. 

Some decent AM radio syndication at the time too.

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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2025, 11:18:01 PM »
Since @FearlessF is active in this thread we'll do the Big 8 next, final standings:

  • 6-1/10-2 Nebraska, #4 got as high as #1
  • 6-1/9-2-1 Oklahoma, #6  got as high as #2
  • 5-2/10-2 Oklahoma State, #7 got as high as #3
  • 4-3/5-6 Kansas not ranked at all during 1984 (same for the rest)
  • 2-4-1/3-7-1 KSU
  • 2-4-1/3-7-1 Mizzou
  • 0-5-2/2-7-2 ISU
  • 1-6/1-10 Colorado
Nebraska's league loss was more understandable, losing to Oklahoma but it was at home.  Oklahoma's league loss was to Kansas and it wasn't some last second FG, the Jayhawks won that game 28-11, what?  Oklahoma's OOC loss was understandable, 28-17 to Washington in the Orange Bowl but they also tied a decent but not great Texas team.  Nebraska's OOC loss was, as @MarqHusker described, to Syracuse in the Carrier Dome.  My view is that both teams were pretty good but neither was great.  

Oklahoma State's 10-2 finish included a Bowl win over USCe and it respectable but their OOC was complete crap and they lost to the only two ranked teams in the league (both by two scores) so they aren't in the NC conversation.  

The rest of the league was hot garbage notwithstanding Kansas' shocking upset of the Sooners.  

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Re: All time Goofy Season, 1984
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2025, 11:36:30 PM »
Now for @OrangeAfroMan 's SEC (remember this was before adding USCe and Arkansas:

  • 5-0-1/9-1-1 Florida, #3
  • 4-1-1/8-3-1 LSU #15
  • 4-2/9-4 Auburn #14
  • 4-2/7-4-1 Georgia
  • 3-3/9-3 Kentucky, #19
  • 3-3/7-4-1 Tennessee
  • 2-4/5-6 Alabama
  • 2-4/5-6 Vanderbilt
  • 1-5/4-6-1 Ole Miss
  • 1-5/4-7 MissSt


I want to start with Kentucky because they need to be dispensed with.  Their ranking is just another example of voters voting by losses.  Their overall 9-3 record looks good but it was a product of playing a complete crap OOC of Kent (finished 4-7), Indiana (finished 0-11), Tulane (finished 3-8), Rutgers (finished 7-3), and North Texas (1aa).  Looking top down in the SEC, Kentucky:

  • Lost by 8 at home to Florida
  • Lost by 26 at home to LSU
  • Did not play Auburn
  • Lost by 30 at home to Georgia
The fluke here is that they kept it close with Florida, the Wildcats were not a good team.  

Florida finished with three wins over ranked teams, they:
  • Beat #14 Auburn by 21 at home
  • Beat #17 FSU by 10 on the road
  • Beat #19 Kentucky on the road by 8

Additionally, they started 0-1-1 then ripped off nine straight wins so there is an argument but

The argument against the Gators is that they were on probation, had to vacate their 1984 SEC Title, lost by 12 to Miami, and tied LSU.  

LSU tied Florida, lost to a mediocre Notre Dame team, lost to a horrible MissSt team, and went to the Sugar Bowl in Florida's place due to probation.  They got drilled by Nebraska.  

Auburn had a really weird year.  They finished 1983 11-1 and on a 10-game winning streak so they started 1984 at #1 but then lost their first two games (by 2 to Miami in Jersey and by 8 to Texas in Austin).  That dropped them to as low as #20 but then they won six straight to get to 6-2 and back up to #11 before getting taken behind the woodshed in the Swamp.  They also lost the Iron Bowl to a bad Alabama team and finished the season with a 6 point win over a mediocre Arkansas (SWC) in the Liberty Bowl.  

Georgia was the only other SEC team to finish above .500 in the league but their league losses were 27-0 in the WLOCP and by two scores at Auburn.  Additionally they lost OOC to USCe and GaTech then tied FSU in the Citrus Bowl.  

 

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