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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2025, 09:52:36 AM »
Can someone make the VY argument, besides "He was so good in the RB" please?
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2025, 09:54:01 AM »
he was good vs Nebraska, I saw it in person

but, you're right, broken play scrambles were his biggest play
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2025, 09:56:57 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on August 15, 2025, 05:15:06 PM
To be fair, he kept his name alive via a LOT of endorsements.

I'm not old enough to remember him as a player; he retired 5 years before I was born. I do remember him from commercials.


Whenever we were acting up, she'd be like "We're about to play a game of Kick Butkus... and you're going to supply the Butkus." 
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2025, 09:58:20 AM »
Tebow's worst year as a passer was better than Young's best.  
I think this breaks some of your brains.  Tebow - bulldozer, can't pass, funky motion, stupid 1st round pick, NFL failure.

COLLEGE football, gentlemen.

VY should have played for a triple-option school.  
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2025, 10:01:43 AM »
VY was Texas football. They were nothing without him. That's the difference to me anyway.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2025, 10:05:22 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 17, 2025, 10:01:43 AM
VY was Texas football. They were nothing without him. That's the difference to me anyway.
So by signing with too talented a program, Tebow knocked himself down a peg in your eyes?  Meyer's only Heisman winner.
So you must REALLY hate how Heisman voters go with the 'best' player on the best team.  Okay.

Florida went 9-3 with Leak.
13-1 with Leak/Tebow
35-6 with Tebow
Florida went 8-5 after Tebow.
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Texas went 11-2 with Simms.
10-3 with Mock/Young
24-1 with Young
Texas went 10-3 after Young.  Hmmph.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2025, 10:05:35 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 17, 2025, 09:00:57 AM

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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2025, 10:29:44 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 17, 2025, 09:50:52 AM
Ha ha.


Career Pass Rating Efficiency, All-Time (as of 2009):
1. 175.6 - Sam Bradford, OU
2. 170.8 - Tim Tebow, UF
3. 168.9 - Ryan Dinwiddie, Boise
4. 167.6 - Colt Brennan, Hawaii
5. 164.4 - Alex Smith, Utah
6. 163.6 - Danny Wuerffel, UF
7. 162.7 - Ty Detmer, BYU
8. 162.5 - Omar Jacobs, BG
9. 162.0 - Steve Sarkisian, BYU
10. 159.8 - Stefan Lefors, UL
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Career pass efficiency isn't some BS high-volume thing you luck into.  As Bradford and Tebow's careers were concurrent, ole Timmy had the best career pass rating of anyone before him, ever.  While rushing for more TDs than any RB in SEC history. 

Why do people pretend he didn't do this?  Why do they shit on his arm motion and ignore his results?  Why is this list Bradford, Tebow, and a bunch of G4 QBs? 
Again, I'm obviously biased.  And it doesn't truly matter, it's just a fun debate.  And no, everyone doesn't have to pick Tebow as their best QB ever, but maybe argue FOR a guy because arguing against TT is silly.

I watched him play.  He was fine.  Overhyped by fanbois for sure.

Vince took over games and owned the field.  Much netter QB.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2025, 10:30:23 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 15, 2025, 05:10:31 PM
Dang, Dick Butkus retired in 73? My aunt was still joking about his name well into the 90s. I thought he must have at least played in the 80s.
One thing I remember about Butkus was one time he could have cleaned Brown's QB Bill Nelson's clock - but didn't.Now Nelson was a gamer think Billy Kilmer with two very bad knees and slower(if that's possible).He was actually selected for the Pro Bowl one year but ended up having 5 knee operations that caused him to retire.Anyway in a Browns/Bears Game Dick caught Nelson about 5 yds away from running out of bounds (both were hobbling really). And instead of his usual shoulder or fore arm shiv he just shoved Nelson out of bounds.The writers/reporters covering the game for the Browns later said Butkus respected him for playing in constant pain whose knees were worse than his - so a rare token of respect



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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2025, 10:30:59 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 17, 2025, 09:58:20 AM
Tebow's worst year as a passer was better than Young's best. 
I think this breaks some of your brains.  Tebow - bulldozer, can't pass, funky motion, stupid 1st round pick, NFL failure.

COLLEGE football, gentlemen.

VY should have played for a triple-option school. 

Lulz.

Vince Young is the greatest college football player of all time.  Watch the games.  Somebody's brain is broken and it's not mine.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2025, 10:35:40 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 17, 2025, 10:05:22 AM
So by signing with too talented a program, Tebow knocked himself down a peg in your eyes?  Meyer's only Heisman winner.
So you must REALLY hate how Heisman voters go with the 'best' player on the best team.  Okay.

Florida went 9-3 with Leak.
13-1 with Leak/Tebow
35-6 with Tebow
Florida went 8-5 after Tebow.
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Texas went 11-2 with Simms.
10-3 with Mock/Young
24-1 with Young
Texas went 10-3 after Young.  Hmmph.
I didn't say that.

I think VY could have played any position on a team, except OL. Just a great college football player.

Tim Tebow was no doubt a great college football player. I just think VY was a little better.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2025, 10:36:10 AM »
He was a great scrambler.  
If only he could have read through his progressions.....his 9.3 ypa per pass > his 6.8 ypa per rush
We'll never know.

I love arguing this, as Tebow, the much-maligned passer, was a absurdly better passer than Young.  Oh, and more rushing TDs than Dorsett, Lendale White, or Jonathan Taylor.  
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2025, 10:37:15 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 17, 2025, 10:36:10 AM
He was a great scrambler. 
If only he could have read through his progressions.....his 9.3 ypa per pass > his 6.8 ypa per rush
We'll never know.

I love arguing this, as Tebow, the much-maligned passer, was a absurdly better passer than Young.  Oh, and more rushing TDs than Dorsett, Lendale White, or Jonathan Taylor. 
Yeah we saw all the 1 yard jump passes at the goal line and 1 yard rushes instead of using a fullback.  It was effective for the team but not overly impressive.

Stats guys like you never get it.
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Re: All-Time AP All-American Team named
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2025, 10:37:51 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 17, 2025, 10:35:40 AM
I didn't say that.

I think VY could have played any position on a team, except OL. Just a great college football player.

Tim Tebow was no doubt a great college football player. I just think VY was a little better.
Great.
Then why didn't he DO more?  Especially surrounded with less talent, as you claimed.

I find myself at odds with people focused on what a guy could do, but not what he did-do.  :)
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