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Topic: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18

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ELA

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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #434 on: October 22, 2018, 04:42:08 PM »
Week 8 PS3 Sim Tourney Bracketology...

BUFFALO
2CLEMSON
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10CENTRAL FLORIDA
7GEORGIA
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14WASHINGTON STATE
5MICHIGAN
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25APPALACHIAN STATE
4LSU
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FRESNO STATE
3NOTRE DAME
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UAB
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #435 on: October 22, 2018, 04:43:55 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on October 22, 2018, 04:15:30 PM
That's called a Congress.
And that's never a productive thing.
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #436 on: October 22, 2018, 05:44:03 PM »
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #437 on: October 22, 2018, 06:31:23 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 22, 2018, 04:41:42 PM
If I may add a slight detail here. We’re complaining about polls. People have been taught for a long time that polls work like a horse race. Win gets a bump. Lose and fall. Move up by not losing.
No one tells these folks to do anything different, and a lot of the older ones think that’s the way it works because that’s the way it has worked. Young writers might change that, but if you’re likely to build rankings with care, you’re more likely to feel the excercise is kinda silly to start with.
But per OAM's other point, when you have enough volume, those people actually putting the time in get drowned out.
So over time, they realize that if they spend 3 hours analyzing games and putting a lot of effort into their ballot essentially means that Texas Tech [with say 95% of pollsters having them between 12th and 17th] moves from an average rank of 14.37 to 14.39 based on them putting TTU at 20th, they stop putting in that level of effort. But then they see another person ranked TTU at 8th, balancing out their outlier nature. 
It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where the pollsters are essentially taught over time not to take it too seriously, because they have such little impact. 
Those young idealistic writers try to change it for a year or two, and then realize that they don't care any more because they're one 65th of the poll and their opinion really doesn't matter much. 
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #438 on: October 22, 2018, 06:45:29 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 22, 2018, 04:35:26 PM
(Are we splitting a small hair and more going back and forth than arguing? I think we are)
No.i don't think Mterp is mad for pointing a valid course of action
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #439 on: October 22, 2018, 06:59:45 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on October 22, 2018, 06:31:23 PM
But per OAM's other point, when you have enough volume, those people actually putting the time in get drowned out.
So over time, they realize that if they spend 3 hours analyzing games and putting a lot of effort into their ballot essentially means that Texas Tech [with say 95% of pollsters having them between 12th and 17th] moves from an average rank of 14.37 to 14.39 based on them putting TTU at 20th, they stop putting in that level of effort. But then they see another person ranked TTU at 8th, balancing out their outlier nature.
It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where the pollsters are essentially taught over time not to take it too seriously, because they have such little impact.
Well I suppose I could suppose they don't give a shyt because others don't just because.I think many do care but if they are not getting paid for their efforts and have other obligations then I can see & understand them winging it,at least after the top 10.If you're winging it under that then you're a distorted fan and don't take the gig
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #440 on: October 22, 2018, 07:08:17 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 22, 2018, 03:30:11 PM
This.
You get 5 smart people in a room, they'll produce amazing ideas.  You put 500 in a room, and things start to get wacky.
But that's not accurate either.Have you ever seen "Brain Games" on NatGeo?Collectively assertions have come in more accurate than individuals in many cases.Just get the microphone away from the bellyaching carnival barkers and let the masses mumble amongst themselves
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #441 on: October 22, 2018, 07:12:25 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 22, 2018, 06:45:29 PM
No.i don't think Mterp is mad for pointing a valid course of action
Which course of action do you mean? 
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #442 on: October 22, 2018, 07:30:27 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on October 21, 2018, 05:21:33 PM
MCW is particularly prone to being mad, and here we are.
The original one that you busted his chops on - you related to Bill Clinton?He wasn't mad he bought up a valid point why a guy who averaged 7.8 yds hadn't gotten a carry until the 3rd qtr.Regardless of his take on Canada he's not wrong there 
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #443 on: October 22, 2018, 07:32:52 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 22, 2018, 07:08:17 PM
But that's not accurate either.Have you ever seen "Brain Games" on NatGeo?Collectively assertions have come in more accurate than individuals in many cases.Just get the microphone away from the bellyaching carnival barkers and let the masses mumble amongst themselves
If you're just going to cite one anecdotal thing like it disproves the point each time, then we're done.  The sample size of this board doesn't make what I said untrue.  The sample size of one TV show doesn't make what I said untrue.
If you only dwell on the exceptions, you're missing out on 97% of life.
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #444 on: October 22, 2018, 07:38:31 PM »
No big deal guys.

I'm trying to figure out lots of things here.  However, it is inexcusable not to get Ty Johnson the ball until the end of the third quarter.

I'm trying to figure out the passing game as well. It was very windy but it goes deeper than that.

Kasim Hill is supposed to be an Under Armour All-American, but the passing game has been terrible.

I can only imagine with DJ Moore going pro, we don't have receivers that can run routes as well as he did.

I said at the beginning of the year that our wide receivers were unproven, and that may be the case. If they don't get open or run a good routes, he can't get them the ball and make us two dimensional.

I also don't think the sideline to sideline offense is going to work against any team in the Big Ten.
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #445 on: October 22, 2018, 07:41:06 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on October 22, 2018, 07:32:52 PM
If you're just going to cite one anecdotal thing like it disproves the point each time, then we're done.  The sample size of this board doesn't make what I said untrue.  The sample size of one TV show doesn't make what I said untrue.
If you only dwell on the exceptions, you're missing out on 97% of life.
Alright no more sample sizes,We should probably wait for OrangeAfroMan's unrivaled intelligence to comment on such subjects before our less evolved collective cognitive ability  once more leads us to jump to unreasonable conclusions & make stupendously absurd comments.
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #446 on: October 22, 2018, 07:55:58 PM »
Pffft, why didn't you just say that in the first place?!?
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Re: All Hail the Supreme Leader SOC 10/20/18
« Reply #447 on: October 22, 2018, 08:19:32 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on October 22, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
Well I suppose I could suppose they don't give a shyt because others don't just because.I think many do care but if they are not getting paid for their efforts and have other obligations then I can see & understand them winging it,at least after the top 10.If you're winging it under that then you're a distorted fan and don't take the gig
are all the writers in the poll giving their ballot a full 8 hr effort week in and week out?  No
but, dismissing the entire group as not giving a crap and not doing their duty is foolish imo.  Many of these guys love college football and think of their profession as important.
would the group here put together a collective poll too much different than the writers of coaches?  I think not.  So are the lot of us disinterested and lazy?  perhaps.  I'm sure some posters spend more time and energy on our "Big Power Rankings" than others.
Take the Big Power Rankings, week 8 for example:
I'd guess our composite would closely follow the AP poll regarding the order of the Big Ten's ranked teams and others receiving votes 
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