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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: All-Decade Team: 2000s
« Reply #98 on: Today at 07:01:59 PM »
How have I dinged VY for leaving early?  I'm worried we're very barely speaking the same language.
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Re: All-Decade Team: 2000s
« Reply #99 on: Today at 07:12:12 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 07:01:59 PM
How have I dinged VY for leaving early?  I'm worried we're very barely speaking the same language.
"So when someone picks VY, they're saying his season and a half of great play, acknowledging that scrambling was always his greatest strength at QB, was better than 3+ years of unprecedented play from TT."
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« Reply #100 on: Today at 07:17:50 PM »
So we're to ignore volume?

For this debate on these players, while what you quoted should matter, you can remove TT's final season if you want.  Or his first.  To make it more "fair." 
I don't view it as dinging VY because of what TT did his first year as a starter.  You know, won the Heisman.  55 total TDs. 

Again, I care mostly with what actually happened.  Am I dinging Barry Sanders for having started 1 season?  For an all-time ranking or all-decade team....I guess?  Why was he a backup if he was that good (I know, I know, Thurman Thomas :ecomcity:)?

VY was not as efficient (good?), not as productive, and his biggest strength was scrambling.  His peak in a 1-game sample was higher than TT's.  Fantastic. 

I guess RB Tony Sands of KU was better than Barry Sanders, then.  That's where we end up with holding a 1-game peak as the end-all, be-all.
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Re: All-Decade Team: 2000s
« Reply #101 on: Today at 07:41:21 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 07:17:50 PM
So we're to ignore volume?

For this debate on these players, while what you quoted should matter, you can remove TT's final season if you want.  Or his first.  To make it more "fair." 
I don't view it as dinging VY because of what TT did his first year as a starter.  You know, won the Heisman.  55 total TDs. 

Again, I care mostly with what actually happened.  Am I dinging Barry Sanders for having started 1 season?  For an all-time ranking or all-decade team....I guess?  Why was he a backup if he was that good (I know, I know, Thurman Thomas :ecomcity:)?

VY was not as efficient (good?), not as productive, and his biggest strength was scrambling.  His peak in a 1-game sample was higher than TT's.  Fantastic. 

I guess RB Tony Sands of KU was better than Barry Sanders, then.  That's where we end up with holding a 1-game peak as the end-all, be-all.
You don't have to ignore volume, but there is little reason to think that Young would have been bad had he returned for his senior year, and as you say we are measuring greatness, not goodness. Both these guys were great. Tebow was had better passing stats. He was not as good a runner as Vince Young. Which matters, because both of these guys flourished in the read option era where a QB running the ball was a hell of an important thing. It wasn't "scrambling." 
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« Reply #102 on: Today at 07:44:36 PM »
But it 'twas.  VY had A TON of called passing plays where the ball never left his hand.  
First guy wasn't there, he's taking off.
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« Reply #103 on: Today at 07:45:00 PM »
The real victims of this thread are Sam Bradford and Matt Leinart.
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« Reply #104 on: Today at 08:38:49 PM »
oh well
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« Reply #105 on: Today at 08:40:18 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 07:44:36 PM
But it 'twas.  VY had A TON of called passing plays where the ball never left his hand. 
First guy wasn't there, he's taking off.
that TON didn't count
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