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...but Davis was his OC in his first 2 years as well, when he sucked as a passer.

the point is......... GD Greg Davis sucked
Vince all by himself elevated a crappy coordinator to a Broyles award - Vince was that good

the point is......... GD Greg Davis sucked
Vince all by himself elevated a crappy coordinator to a Broyles award - Vince was that good

If only the data supported this!!!  

it's A-okay with me.

If that were true you'd STFU about it.  But it's not, and you haven't. You insist on going on and on and on about it. 

If you were ACTUALLY taking a positive stance and the high road on it, you'd just stop.  But you aren't because you can't.  You just keep on lecturing everyone about how wrong they are.

Same as it ever was.

well, I was forced to listen to Horns & Hawks besmirching of GD Greg Davis for YEARS & years!

GDGD was awful.  Only when he and Mack Brown stopped interfering and let Vince be Vince, did things improve considerably.  Ironically, Vince Young ignoring GDGD, is what won GDGD the Broyles award.

Anyway, don't care, Horns won the NC. Hook 'em!

Eh. I'm not going to get on OAM's case because of his arguing in favor of Tebow. 

I feel like he has a similar thing on this that I have with Drew Brees. In my case it's that I think Brees is given short shrift because he played on a team that just wasn't ever going to be great. The players around him were good but not NC-worthy. His biggest accomplishment was getting Purdue to, but not winning, a Rose Bowl. People don't recognize how good he was because of the name on the front of his jersey, and because he had Joe Tiller and the "basketball on grass" offensive scheme that allows people to dismiss him as a "system QB". 

For Tebow, he didn't really have the same limitations regarding the players around him. But I think outsiders view his time at Florida as a little bit "gimmicky". The use practically as a fullback. The jump passes. And then the holier-than-thou religiousness (which I'm sure OAM gets conflicted about) which is a turnoff to a large proportion of fans. I think OAM's problem is that we think of the "style points" portion of this argument with Tebow hurting his case, but then the statistical arguments back up that he was really freakin' good. And that Vince Young's "style points" largely is a basis of his athleticism and some really big "splash" plays when the lights were on, but he wasn't necessarily all that good statistically. 

The perception was that Vince Young was a generational talent who could "do it all", even though maybe statistically he actually wasn't that great of a passer. And the perception was that Tim Tebow was a fullback converted to QB who was a gimmick player, even though statistically he was actually a pretty dang good passer. 

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I can see his argument that VY's ascendance to the rarified air was mostly based on two performances in Pasadena. 

nobody liked rich kid spoiled brat Elway either

It takes two to tango.  And while neither of us hit the dance floor when the song began, we're stepping and spinning together now, aren't we!??!

It's all in good fun and ultimately meaningless.
The funny part is if I actually did use these teams and produced them for my WN game, I'd have multiple QBs, so the point would be moot.

I lump VY in with Roger Staubach as guys who were really good, but ultimately way overrated.  Scrambling shouldn't be your #1 attribute as an all-time great QB, sorry.  Just my opinion, of course, but it is what it is, lol.