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Topic: After eight years of B1G-E and B1G-W, do things need tweeked?
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847badgerfan · « **Reply #14 on:** December 06, 2021, 01:17:26 PM »

Good point. If someone can right that ship, it would help the balance greatly. But, that is now a tall order.

No conference titles in this century. Nobody in HS remembers the 1990's.

Temp430 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 06, 2021, 01:23:42 PM »

Its fine as is.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #16 on:** December 06, 2021, 01:30:50 PM »

I don't want to cheapen the conference by dropping to 8 games and scheduling FCS games late (or at all).

Mdot21 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 06, 2021, 01:32:29 PM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on December 06, 2021, 01:30:50 PM

I don't want to cheapen the conference by dropping to 8 games and scheduling FCS games late (or at all).

doesn't seem to cheapen the SEC

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 06, 2021, 03:08:03 PM »

Quote from: iahawk15 on December 06, 2021, 12:24:08 PM

I personally like the idea of no divisions, 2-3 protected rivals, rotate everyone else through. Top 2 teams play in the CCG. Downside is the pearl-clutching possibility of OSU/UM in back-to-back weeks.

It is an interesting idea and one that I think has a lot of merit. Here is what it would have resulted in during the entire B1G-E/B1G-W run:

2021: M/tOSU rematch instead of M/IA. Iowa was 7-2 as was MSU but M and tOSU were both 8-1. That would have been a higher ranked CG but a rematch from one week prior in which one of two things would necessarily have to have happened: 1) Michigan wins again thus making the whole process of playing again redundant, or 2) Ohio State wins thus making Michigan's win in the first game effectively irrelevant.
2020: tOSU vs either IU or NU depending on tiebreaker. tOSU was 5-0 while both IU and NU were 6-1 and hadn't played each other. IU's loss was to tOSU while NU's was to MSU.
2019: tOSU vs PSU, UW, or MN instead of tOSU/UW. tOSU was 9-0 while the other three were 7-2.
2018: some combination of tOSU, M, or NU instead of tOSU vs NU. All three were 8-1. Ohio State's loss was to Purdue, Michigan's was to tOSU, and NU's was to M.
2017: tOSU vs UW as it was. UW as 9-0 and tOSU was 8-1 and nobody else was above 7-2 (PSu, MSU, NU).
2016: PSU vs tOSU instead of PSU vs UW. PSU and tOSU were both 8-1, UW was 7-2 as was Michigan.
2015: Iowa vs MSU or tOSU instead of Iowa vs MSU. Iowa was 8-0 while both MSU and tOSU were 7-1 with losses to UNL and MSU respectively. Assuming normal tiebreakers MSU goes.
2014: tOSU vs MSU or UW instead of tOSU vs UW. tOSU was 8-0 while both UW and MSU were 7-1. MSU lost to tOSU while UW lost to NU.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 06, 2021, 03:19:02 PM »

Quote from: iahawk15 on December 06, 2021, 12:24:08 PM

Downside is the pearl-clutching possibility of OSU/UM in back-to-back weeks.

Personally I am not a fan of rematches but I mind them less the longer amount of time there is between the first and the second game. For example, Ohio State played Oregon early this year and if Oregon had won the P12CG they would have met again in the RoseBowl. That, to me, isn't a big problem since game one was a LONG time before the rematch so we would get to see how the teams had evolved over the interim.

Conversely, as a tOSU fan I'd love for my team to have another shot at Michigan in round one of an expanded playoff. It would be great for the Buckeyes to get a do-over but it would suck for the sport in general and it would REALLY suck for Michigan. The Wolverines either win again (no big deal), or they lose and the first game becomes an irrelevant historical footnote.

The point I was getting at was that if we went to this I think you would necessarily have to get rid of final weekend match-ups that were reasonably likely to result in a rematch a week later. Counting every team that at least tied for a spot in the theoretical non-divisional CG from 2014-2021 those are:

tOSU all eight years
Wisconsin three times
Michigan twice
Northwestern twice
Penn State twice
Michigan State twice
Iowa once
Indiana once
Minnesota once

tOSU/M would end up getting repeated a week later too often based on this history.

Wisconsin could probably still finish with MN because it is exceedingly unlikely that MN could make the CG in a year when they lost to UW.

Iowa/UNL is fine at least for now.

IU/PU is fine at least for now.

NU/IL is fine at least for now.

M/MSU could probably finish with each other since it is fairly unlikely that MSU would make it in a year when they lost to M.

The four remaining teams are tOSU, PSU, UMD, RU. Buckeyes/Nittany Lions is hardly any better than tOSU/M and the Nittany Lions have some history with UMD so I'd go tOSU/RU, PSU/UMD. Thus my final weekend match-ups would be:

UW/MN the Ax Game
IU/PU the Old Oaken Bucket
Iowa/UNL whatever they call this
NU/IL they have a name for this too, Land of Lincoln trophy or somesuch?
M/MSU they have a name for this one too
PSU/UMD the old Eastern Team throwback challenge
tOSU/RU I'd try to sell Macy's a sponsorship deal and stick this in Yankee Stadium every year as the Macy's Thanksgiving Weekend Challenge (adding in MBB and WBB and maybe hockey all in NYC).

Mdot21 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 07, 2021, 04:07:47 PM »

what about sending PSU and MSU west and bringing NW and Purdue east?

You cannot separate Michigan/Ohio State period- they need to be in the same division and they need to play every year. And I honestly don't really care if Michigan plays Michigan State every year- would rather that one be rotating anyway. I think you make those two moves and the divisions balance out better.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #21 on:** December 07, 2021, 04:25:37 PM »

Of course you would because mel will prolly have them stoked and they have your team circled.Spartans on a 10-4 run i believe vs the AACC as they call 'em.Chit throw tthe ACC additions to the wind.It's just not a fit,PSU/ND and maybe Clemson will get 1st crack of east Coast talent any way so i don't see either of them getting off the canvas from a pigskin stand point

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #22 on:** December 07, 2021, 05:01:20 PM »

We could probably form a late season scheduling alliance with the MAC instead of FCS.

Wouldn't necessarily have to drop back to 8 games either.

One bye week and one MAC tune up before Rivalry Week.

EastAthens · « **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2021, 05:22:41 PM »

I get tired of hearing about Cupcake Week. During week 1, when almost everyone in the country was feasting on cupcakes, the Dawgs were playing the #2 team in the country at the time, Clemson, in the Carolinas. You know, the team that had never missed the playoffs and won 2 nattys. Clemson did not live up to their billing but absolutely no one knew that when the Dawgs got on the bus to go play them. Not a cupcake by any stretch of the imagination.

UGA played 10 power 5 teams. I am not apologizing for our schedule.

And we start with Oregon next year in Atlanta.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #24 on:** December 07, 2021, 05:28:59 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on December 07, 2021, 04:07:47 PM

what about sending PSU and MSU west and bringing NW and Purdue east?

You cannot separate Michigan/Ohio State period- they need to be in the same division and they need to play every year. And I honestly don't really care if Michigan plays Michigan State every year- would rather that one be rotating anyway. I think you make those two moves and the divisions balance out better.

Nebraska in the West was supposed to be the cure. Obviously that has not panned out. UW and Iowa are (almost) always very solid teams, matching MSU and PSU (and even Michigan sans this season). NU and Minnie can turn it on. I think BB is going to make a little noise in Champaign. Purdue could be something if they keep recruiting as they have.

Now, if we ship OSU to the SEC and grab Vandy for the East, things look better.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #25 on:** December 07, 2021, 05:30:02 PM »

Quote from: EastAthens on December 07, 2021, 05:22:41 PM

I get tired of hearing about Cupcake Week. During week 1, when almost everyone in the country was feasting on cupcakes, the Dawgs were playing the #2 team in the country at the time, Clemson in the Carolinas. You know, the team that had never missed the playoffs and won 2 nattys. Clemson did not live up to their billing but absolutely no one knew that when the Dawgs got on the bus to go play them. Not a cupcake by any stretch of the imagination.

UGA played 10 power 5 teams. I am not apologising for our schedule.

The SEC East is not good. Georgia Tech is not good. Auburn is not good.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #26 on:** December 07, 2021, 05:39:00 PM »

Quote from: EastAthens on December 07, 2021, 05:22:41 PM

I get tired of hearing about Cupcake Week. During week 1, when almost everyone in the country was feasting on cupcakes, the Dawgs were playing the #2 team in the country at the time, Clemson, in the Carolinas. You know, the team that had never missed the playoffs and won 2 nattys. Clemson did not live up to their billing but absolutely no one knew that when the Dawgs got on the bus to go play them. Not a cupcake by any stretch of the imagination.

UGA played 10 power 5 teams. I am not apologizing for our schedule.

And we start with Oregon next year in Atlanta.

Purdue played 9 Big Ten games, and played Notre Dame and Oregon State (week 1) OOC, so 11 P5 (or P5-equivalent) teams.

Purdue also did not play an FCS team. I mean, UConn is worse than a lot of FCS teams, but they are officially FBS.

But hey... Don't pull a muscle patting yourself on the back too hard.

LittlePig · « **Reply #27 on:** December 07, 2021, 09:04:32 PM »

Personally I like in order

1. scrapping the divisions and going to a schedule with 5 protected rivals. Top 2 teams go to the CCG

2. Keeping East-West as is. But have a rule that the top 2 teams go to the CCG, regardless of what division they are in. Being a division winner can be 1 of the tie-breakers if 2 teams have the same record.

3. Splitting into 3 divisions. 5-5-4 each. For example

West - Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, NW
Central - Mich, MSU, Pur, Ind, ILL
East - OSU, PSU, Rut, MD

But top 2 teams go to CCG regardless what division they play in.

4. Move Mich and MSU to West. Move Purdue and ILL to east. OSU-Mich and ILL-NW have annual cross-over games.

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