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Re: Ads on the field are approved, so
« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2024, 02:21:43 PM »
If it doesn't have caffeine and is diet, I'm not sure what the point is.
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« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2024, 02:22:05 PM »
Clearly they are, but it's not as if Pepsi is badly flailing or dropping off the map.  They just have a lot of subbrands.

Pepsi as a company is much larger.
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« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2024, 02:24:21 PM »
Clearly they are, but it's not as if Pepsi is badly flailing or dropping off the map.  They just have a lot of subbrands.

Pepsi as a company is much larger.
I am 100% certain that Pepsico Executives are not happy about this at all, and are probably making plans as we speak, for significant changes.  Dr. Pepper is a tiny upstart, this is a huge problem for Pepsi.


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Re: Ads on the field are approved, so
« Reply #59 on: June 12, 2024, 02:24:25 PM »
Well, I figured if I can induce more profanity out of you and MDot1 it's a good day.  Profanity always shows the mark of, well, something.

Yes, I noted, Pepsi the drink was edged by Dr. Pepper recently.  I also noted Pepsi the company sells more soda and is a lot larger.

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« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2024, 02:25:28 PM »
They are all just going to be making hard seltzers within the next few years anyway

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« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2024, 02:26:08 PM »
I am 100% certain that Pepsico Executives are not happy about this at all, and are probably making plans as we speak, for significant changes.  Dr. Pepper is a tiny upstart, this is a huge problem for Pepsi.
It's a kind of bragging point, yes, and dropping from #1 to #2 is huge because of retailers like Costco.  The Pepsi folks won't like this, but I don't guess they are panicking over it.  

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« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2024, 02:27:26 PM »
Well, I figured if I can induce more profanity out of you and MDot1 it's a good day.  Profanity always shows the mark of, well, something.

Yes, I noted, Pepsi the drink was edged by Dr. Pepper recently.  I also noted Pepsi the company sells more soda and is a lot larger.
Profanity!  Cuss words!  Curse words!  Filthy mouth!  Profanity!

You're one petty son of a bitch old fucker piece of shit cranky old-timer.
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« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2024, 02:53:40 PM »
It's a kind of bragging point, yes, and dropping from #1 to #2 is huge because of retailers like Costco.  The Pepsi folks won't like this, but I don't guess they are panicking over it. 
I'm going to go ahead and tell you-- I know a lot more about large enterprise business competition and market share, than you do.  I'm heavily engaged in it every single day of my life. i live and breathe it-- it's quite literally my job. 

If one day Apple passed up HP in core business PC sales, the shit at HP would absolutely hit the fan. Every executive associated with their core business PC product line, would be fired.  Every single one.

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« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2024, 03:03:03 PM »
Fired?  Maybe so.  I was on the edges of some marketing stuff, and folks were indeed worried about slipping from #1 to #2.  I thought there was less concern if #2 slid to $3, but I could be wrong.  I don't think anyone would have been fired where I worked, but their careers may have gone south.  I was there when Pampers slid to #2, in part because we also had Luvs at the time.  As I say, I was on the fringe, but I was not aware of any panicking.

It reminds me of the Ford-Chevy light truck story, Ford leads Chevy comfortably, but if you add GMC, GM makes more light trucks.  Does GM care that their share is split?

Is Pepsi that worried so long as their sugar free brands are growing faster?  

I just looked at the five year stock chart for both companie, which of course is a gross check, and oddly their stock returns are almost identical over that period.  It could be Pepsi has made a strategic choice to emphasize sugar free perhaps understanding Pepsi would slide in share, I don't know.  And of course, maybe they react with more marketing and recover the #2 spot fairly quickly, or decide it's not worth it.

Should GM stop marketing GMC trucks to perhaps be able to claim the #1 spot?  I doubt it.  I think some folks prefer GMC to Chevy for whatever reason.




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« Reply #65 on: June 12, 2024, 03:05:14 PM »
Fired?  Maybe so.  I was on the edges of some marketing stuff, and folks were indeed worried about slipping from #1 to #2.  I thought there was less concern if #2 slid to $3, but I could be wrong.  I don't think anyone would have been fired where I worked, but their careers may have gone south.  I was there when Pampers slid to #2, in part because we also had Luvs at the time.  As I say, I was on the fringe, but I was not aware of any panicking.

It reminds me of the Ford-Chevy light truck story, Ford leads Chevy comfortably, but if you add GMC, GM makes more light trucks.  Does GM care that their share is split?

Is Pepsi that worried so long as their sugar free brands are growing faster? 

I just looked at the five year stock chart for both companie, which of course is a gross check, and oddly their stock returns are almost identical over that period.  It could be Pepsi has made a strategic choice to emphasize sugar free perhaps understanding Pepsi would slide in share, I don't know.  And of course, maybe they react with more marketing and recover the #2 spot fairly quickly, or decide it's not worth it.

Should GM stop marketing GMC trucks to perhaps be able to claim the #1 spot?  I doubt it.  I think some folks prefer GMC to Chevy for whatever reason.





HP makes lots of other products, too.  But if they slipped behind an upstart in their core brand, there would be mass firings.

Core brand is a huge deal.

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« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2024, 03:22:41 PM »
It's kind of funny, our "core brand" originally was soap, Ivory soap (and before that candles).  It was long since of course allowed to slide.  We had a large coffee brand for a while, it was sold.  We had Duncan Hinds, also sold.  We owned one of the largest acerages of forest land for a while, that was sold.  
Maybe that's why that outfit has been around so long.

I think Tide took over cica 1950, it dates from 1946 as I recall.  It coincided with new washing machines coming on line, and some brilliant marketer managed to put small boxes of Tide in each new machine.  

But it well could be that Pepsi is firing marketers and planning a counterattack.  Or maybe they are just focused on sugar free as a better profit center.

To be clear, I am corrected that Dr. Pepper the brand has edged Pepsi, I was wrong on that point.


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« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2024, 03:24:24 PM »
It's kind of funny, our "core brand" originally was soap, Ivory soap (and before that candles).  It was long since of course allowed to slide.  We had a large coffee brand for a while, it was sold.  We had Duncan Hinds, also sold.  We owned one of the largest acerages of forest land for a while, that was sold. 
Maybe that's why that outfit has been around so long.

I think Tide took over cica 1950, it dates from 1946 as I recall.  It coincided with new washing machines coming on line, and some brilliant marketer managed to put small boxes of Tide in each new machine. 

But it well could be that Pepsi is firing marketers and planning a counterattack.  Or maybe they are just focused on sugar free as a better profit center.

To be clear, I am corrected that Dr. Pepper the brand has edged Pepsi, I was wrong on that point.


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« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2024, 04:04:22 PM »
Fired?  Maybe so.  I was on the edges of some marketing stuff, and folks were indeed worried about slipping from #1 to #2.  I thought there was less concern if #2 slid to $3, but I could be wrong.  I don't think anyone would have been fired where I worked, but their careers may have gone south.  I was there when Pampers slid to #2, in part because we also had Luvs at the time.  As I say, I was on the fringe, but I was not aware of any panicking.

It reminds me of the Ford-Chevy light truck story, Ford leads Chevy comfortably, but if you add GMC, GM makes more light trucks.  Does GM care that their share is split?

Is Pepsi that worried so long as their sugar free brands are growing faster? 

I just looked at the five year stock chart for both companie, which of course is a gross check, and oddly their stock returns are almost identical over that period.  It could be Pepsi has made a strategic choice to emphasize sugar free perhaps understanding Pepsi would slide in share, I don't know.  And of course, maybe they react with more marketing and recover the #2 spot fairly quickly, or decide it's not worth it.

Should GM stop marketing GMC trucks to perhaps be able to claim the #1 spot?  I doubt it.  I think some folks prefer GMC to Chevy for whatever reason.
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« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2024, 05:15:26 PM »
Man, things got really intense over the thought of Michigan putting ads for cheap peach rose on their field to appeal to their base demographic

 

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