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Topic: ACC Thursday Night Football as God intended (Week 3 SOC)

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Re: ACC Thursday Night Football as God intended (Week 3 SOC)
« Reply #281 on: Today at 03:53:33 PM »
No Shyt they're making coin,that's fine until the wheels start falling off Cinderalla's Midnight Carraige - that's stoopid. And it appears to be what may happen

more - more - more - more, that Suits think fans can keep fostering. Both 847 & 94 dropped their season duckets,Badge sited climbing prices - before he moved. Good friend on mine has a Brother who recently retired as an Ear,Nose & Throat Specialist from private pratice. He graduated from tOSU's Medical School and dropped his season Tics for the same reason.And he has a P.h.D.....before moving to FLA.,Hmm seems to be a trend there rich folks landing there. Anyhow read the tea leaves 847 is right it's not sustainable
Frankly, the biggest reason I still have tickets is that it's not hard to get down to campus from where I'm at.

After the 2014 season, which featured the first wins over Nebraska and Michigan in a long time as well as a 51-14 flogging of Iowa, AD Norwood Teague decided that it was time to re-seat and significantly up the price in 3 stages, starting with fall 2015. It wrecked the season ticket base. Teague would be fired later that summer for sexually harassing two high-ranking University employees, so it goes without saying that his judgement was questionable at best. A poster at the Gopher Hole has compiled the number of season tickets sold when it gets released through FOIA filings. Since 2013, here it is:



Season tix sold
2013
33284
2014
33385
2015
27885
2016
22706
2017
22990
2018
21682
2019
21689
2021
23636
2022
23443
2023
25317 or 25396
2024
23592
2025
23089


The 3rd stage of the price hike was supposed to happen before the 2017 season, but was halted after the whole Clayes fiasco that eventually led to the hiring of PJ Fleck. 

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Re: ACC Thursday Night Football as God intended (Week 3 SOC)
« Reply #282 on: Today at 05:19:28 PM »
Frankly, the biggest reason I still have tickets is that it's not hard to get down to campus from where I'm at.

After the 2014 season, which featured the first wins over Nebraska and Michigan in a long time as well as a 51-14 flogging of Iowa, AD Norwood Teague decided that it was time to re-seat and significantly up the price in 3 stages, starting with fall 2015. It wrecked the season ticket base. Teague would be fired later that summer for sexually harassing two high-ranking University employees, so it goes without saying that his judgement was questionable at best. A poster at the Gopher Hole has compiled the number of season tickets sold when it gets released through FOIA filings. Since 2013, here it is:

Season tix sold
2013
33284
2014
33385
2015
27885
2016
22706
2017
22990
2018
21682
2019
21689
2021
23636
2022
23443
2023
25317 or 25396
2024
23592
2025
23089
The 3rd stage of the price hike was supposed to happen before the 2017 season, but was halted after the whole Clayes fiasco that eventually led to the hiring of PJ Fleck.
I was curious so I looked it up.  

In 2013 the Gophers were coming off of four consecutive losing seasons:
  • 6-7 in 2009
  • 3-9 in 2010
  • 3-9 in 2011
  • 6-7 in 2012
Then they had winning (8-5) records in both 2013 and 2014.  Usually that drives ticket sales up and 2014 was marginally higher than 2013 but 2015 sales were almost 6k off of 2014.  That shouldn't happen coming off of back-to-back pretty good seasons.  They stumbled to 6-7 in 2015 which would normally cause ticket sales to drop a bit but 5k?  That is almost 20%.  They had a 9-4 record in 2016 so demand should have been up and it was, but only by <300 tickets.  

2017 was another losing season and sales dropped in 2018 but only by ~300.  My supposition is that the ~21k still buying in 2018/2019 is pretty near Minnesota's floor.  

2018 was a barely winning (7-6) season but it didn't help as 2019 sales were basically unchanged from 2018.  

In 2019 the Gophers went 11-2 and finished in the top-10!  The 2019 team went 6-1 at home featuring a 34-7 thumping of Nebraska (yeah, Nebraska was a 5-7 team but how many thumpings of the Cornhuskers can any living Gopher fan remember?) and a thrilling win over #5 Penn State.  Ordinarily that would have pushed ticket demand through the roof for the following season but COVID interfered.  

After the COVID season, they sold a few thousand more tickets than pre-covid in 2021.  2021 and 2022 were back-to-back 9-4 years that got demand up to around 25.5k but that is still ~8k off of where they were in 2013/2014 and it dropped in 2024 after a losing season in 2023.  

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Re: ACC Thursday Night Football as God intended (Week 3 SOC)
« Reply #283 on: Today at 05:36:47 PM »
Just a note on the poll.  

We tend to think of 1 spot as 1 spot and that say a 4-spot gap is uniform but it very much isn't.  I bring that up because in this week's poll there are a couple of groups that are REALLY close together.  

Ohio State is #1 and has a 141 vote lead on #2 Penn State.  It isn't because Ohio State has a monopoly on 1st place votes.  Ohio State doesn't have all the first place votes and even if they did, that would only explain a 67 vote lead over #2.  The reason is that #2 through #6 are all THISCLOSE together:

  • 1490 Penn State is only 20 votes ahead of
  • 1470 LSU is only 36 votes ahead of
  • 1434 LSU is only six votes ahead of 
  • 1428 UGA is only five votes ahead of 
  • 1423 Oregon
#6 Oregon is only 67 votes behind #2 Penn State but they are 300 votes ahead of #7 Florida State.  After that huge gap from #6 to #7:
  • 1123 #7 FSU is only 12 votes ahead of
  • 1111 #8 Texas is only 1 vote ahead of
  • 1110 #9 Illinois is only 9 votes ahead of 
  • 1101 #10 aTm is only 45 votes ahead of 
  • 1056 #11 Oklahoma
My point being that #2 through #6 and #7 through #11 are basically interchangeable.  

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Re: ACC Thursday Night Football as God intended (Week 3 SOC)
« Reply #284 on: Today at 05:46:00 PM »
I was curious so I looked it up. 

In 2013 the Gophers were coming off of four consecutive losing seasons:
  • 6-7 in 2009
  • 3-9 in 2010
  • 3-9 in 2011
  • 6-7 in 2012
Then they had winning (8-5) records in both 2013 and 2014.  Usually that drives ticket sales up and 2014 was marginally higher than 2013 but 2015 sales were almost 6k off of 2014.  That shouldn't happen coming off of back-to-back pretty good seasons.  They stumbled to 6-7 in 2015 which would normally cause ticket sales to drop a bit but 5k?  That is almost 20%. They had a 9-4 record in 2016 so demand should have been up and it was, but only by <300 tickets. 

2017 was another losing season and sales dropped in 2018 but only by ~300.  My supposition is that the ~21k still buying in 2018/2019 is pretty near Minnesota's floor. 

2018 was a barely winning (7-6) season but it didn't help as 2019 sales were basically unchanged from 2018. 

In 2019 the Gophers went 11-2 and finished in the top-10!  The 2019 team went 6-1 at home featuring a 34-7 thumping of Nebraska (yeah, Nebraska was a 5-7 team but how many thumpings of the Cornhuskers can any living Gopher fan remember?) and a thrilling win over #5 Penn State.  Ordinarily that would have pushed ticket demand through the roof for the following season but COVID interfered. 

After the COVID season, they sold a few thousand more tickets than pre-covid in 2021.  2021 and 2022 were back-to-back 9-4 years that got demand up to around 25.5k but that is still ~8k off of where they were in 2013/2014 and it dropped in 2024 after a losing season in 2023. 

Season tickets for the 2015 season was the start of a 3-year sizable increase in both base price and mandatory donations for season tickets. Mandatory donations went from affecting ~9,500 seats to ~29,000 seats, and there was an increase of base price of ~50%.

The 2015 crash featured Jerry Kill quitting midway through the season, going 1-5 down the stretch, the second step of mandatory donation hike, and the grand opening of the Viking Ship across the river. The hikes were wisely stopped after 2016 renewals to stop the bleeding, and my prices have been constant since then.

Still, there are a lot of hard feelings from that price hike that haven't gone away in the 10 years since. 

 

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