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ELA

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #70 on: February 27, 2024, 02:14:16 PM »
I mean, they've been pretty vocal about not wanting to be in a conference with Texas, but at this point, aren't we just headed towards it being just the Big Ten and SEC, with some sort of joint agreement, so there's probably no difference between the two.

Was thinking about this idea, if the Big Ten-SEC just kind of break away.  Say you get to 40 teams, which is close to happening.  You have 4 divisions, A, B, C, and D.  10 teams each.  You play 9 regular season games against the other 9 teams in your division, then 1 each against of the other divisions, for 12 games.  Bottom 2 teams in each division get relegated.  The top 4 teams have a playoff.  For B, C, D it's just to determine 2 winners to get promoted.  For A, it serves as a 4 team national championship playoff.

Let's say it's Clemson, Florida State, Notre Dame, UNC, Duke and VT to round it out to 20

So, just based on SOR this past season, for next year, the divisions for 2024 would be...

DIVISION A

  • Alabama
  • Florida State
  • Georgia
  • Michigan
  • Missouri
  • Ohio State
  • Ole Miss
  • Oregon
  • Texas
  • Washington


DIVISION B

  • Clemson
  • Duke
  • Iowa
  • LSU
  • Maryland
  • Notre Dame
  • Oklahoma
  • Penn State
  • Tennessee
  • USC


DIVISION C

  • Auburn
  • Florida
  • Kentucky
  • North Carolina
  • Northwestern
  • Rutgers
  • South Carolina
  • Texas A&M
  • UCLA
  • Wisconsin


DIVISION D

  • Arkansas
  • Illinois
  • Indiana
  • Michigan State
  • Minnesota
  • Mississippi State
  • Nebraska
  • Purdue
  • Vanderbilt
  • Virginia

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #71 on: February 27, 2024, 03:17:27 PM »
Sounds pretty awful and I would be even less interested in watching that format than I am in watching what's currently happening.


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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #72 on: February 27, 2024, 03:19:47 PM »
Yeah, I'm out on that.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #73 on: February 27, 2024, 03:22:46 PM »
Worse, how?

Worse than a 14 team playoff where the top 4 teams in those two conferences always get into the playoff, and most teams are playing for nothing.  Because that's the alternative on the table

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #74 on: February 27, 2024, 03:27:23 PM »
Regional rivalries are the backbone of college football.  Abandoning them just makes it a worse version of the NFL. 

There's a lot I don't love about Texas moving to the SEC, but one thing I AM happy about, is reestablishing the annual regional rivalries against Texas A&M and Arkansas, while maintaining the annual regional rivalry against Oklahoma.


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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #75 on: February 27, 2024, 03:29:03 PM »
At some point the Big Boys in the Big Ten SEC, ACC and ND are going to leave their conferences to form a new 16-team P1 football conference.   Texas A&M and FSU will both be border line calls to make the cut because the P1 conference will already have Texas and Florida.

Big Boy P1 conference
Tex, OK, LSU,  Bama, 
Georgia, Florida, Tenn,  Clem,   
PSU, OhSt, Mich, ND,
USC, Wash + 2 more

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #76 on: February 27, 2024, 03:30:02 PM »
Oregon would get in over Washington

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #77 on: February 27, 2024, 03:33:41 PM »
It's Greg Swaim, who is possibly even LESS credible than just some "unnamed CFB radio host."

But still, we've talked about how the B1G could obviously have some interest in that.  The question is, do the Ags reciprocate it at all?
No, we are very happy with the SEC, even with the "Old Guard Bias".  We feel that we have just barely even arrived, and now it appears that the GOAT (Saban) has left the building and maybe some new blood can shake things up.  It may just be trading Smart for Saban, but we played Bama every year for 12 years.  This new conference seems intriguing.  

Texas would be a much better fit for the Big 10 to be honest, and I'm surprised that they did not go that route instead of being with us lowly Southeasterners.  After all, they are the same team that wanted to join the Pac 10 when the conference swapping started.  Allegedly.  

The bad part, for me anyways, is that we had ~12 years to establish our identity in the SEC and really did not.  We're still in the top half for wins during that time, and came oh so close a few years (OK 2020 we got smashed by Bama but still almost made the playoff).  We were happy being able to offer recruits something different, and we did recruit very well during that time, even if it did not translate into wins.  

I think most fans are happy that Texas and A&M are playing every year again, especially since the rivalry with LSU never really got started, mostly due to our losing the first 6 or so, and then not putting any kind of hurt on them when it would have meant something.  

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #78 on: February 27, 2024, 03:34:40 PM »
Regional rivalries are the backbone of college football.  Abandoning them just makes it a worse version of the NFL.

There's a lot I don't love about Texas moving to the SEC, but one thing I AM happy about, is reestablishing the annual regional rivalries against Texas A&M and Arkansas, while maintaining the annual regional rivalry against Oklahoma.
I guess I'm not overly thrilled about Texas and Oklahoma playing an exhibition game when both are likely top 4 SEC teams.  And is there any guarantee that Texas is playing all three of those teams every year?

You could also pick the crossover games based on traditional rivalries.  So in this model, Texas would play a 2024 schedule of

  • Alabama
  • Arkansas
  • Florida State
  • Georgia
  • Michigan
  • Missouri
  • Ohio State
  • Oklahoma
  • Ole Miss
  • Oregon
  • Texas A&M
  • Washington

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #79 on: February 27, 2024, 03:36:05 PM »
At some point the Big Boys in the Big Ten SEC, ACC and ND are going to leave their conferences to form a new 16-team P1 football conference.  Texas A&M and FSU will both be border line calls to make the cut because the P1 conference will already have Texas and Florida.

Big Boy P1 conference
Tex, OK, LSU,  Bama,
Georgia, Florida, Tenn,  Clem, 
PSU, OhSt, Mich, ND,
USC, Wash + 2 more
Honestly, I would very much like it if that happened, and I would like for A&M to put the College back in College Football.  Let the other teams be NFL lite, I don't even care if we don't get on TV, and I really don't care if the coach makes $1 Million (or 10.5 Million).  It's not what I grew up with, not what I experienced during college, and not where I want to go.  
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #80 on: February 27, 2024, 03:42:13 PM »
We still need Vandy's on our schedules at times.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #81 on: February 27, 2024, 03:42:55 PM »
Texas would be a much better fit for the Big 10 to be honest, and I'm surprised that they did not go that route instead of being with us lowly Southeasterners.  After all, they are the same team that wanted to join the Pac 10 when the conference swapping started.  Allegedly. 
People say this a lot, but it shouldn't be surprising at all.  The B1G is a poor fit geographically compared to the SEC, and more importantly, the B1G doesn't command anywhere close to the same amount of mindshare among Texas high school recruits, as the SEC does.  This has been a key contributor to the Ags' success in recruiting over the past ten years, and you surely know that, so it's more than a little disingenuous and self-serving for you to suggest that Texas should be doing something that would actually hurt us in relative recruiting. 

I guess I'm not overly thrilled about Texas and Oklahoma playing an exhibition game when both are likely top 4 SEC teams.  And is there any guarantee that Texas is playing all three of those teams every year?

I care far more about the regular season annual matchups than any potential playoff interaction, so that's what is informing my opinions.  And yes the SEC intends to have Texas play OU, Arkansas, and A&M every year.  The SEC is banking on those rivalry games creating additional excitement and therefore additional viewership.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #82 on: February 27, 2024, 04:06:20 PM »
People say this a lot, but it shouldn't be surprising at all.  The B1G is a poor fit geographically compared to the SEC, and more importantly, the B1G doesn't command anywhere close to the same amount of mindshare among Texas high school recruits, as the SEC does.  This has been a key contributor to the Ags' success in recruiting over the past ten years, and you surely know that, so it's more than a little disingenuous and self-serving for you to suggest that Texas should be doing something that would actually hurt us in relative recruiting.

I care far more about the regular season annual matchups than any potential playoff interaction, so that's what is informing my opinions.  And yes the SEC intends to have Texas play OU, Arkansas, and A&M every year.  The SEC is banking on those rivalry games creating additional excitement and therefore additional viewership.
And I don't disagree with you at all.  At this point, my goal is having as many meaningful games as possible.  Everything else has already been burned to the ground.  I can't even really dislike rivals, when a bunch of their team is one year mercenaries, who maybe already played at 3 different schools, and that is only going to increase.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #83 on: February 27, 2024, 04:14:22 PM »
People say this a lot, but it shouldn't be surprising at all.  The B1G is a poor fit geographically compared to the SEC, and more importantly, the B1G doesn't command anywhere close to the same amount of mindshare among Texas high school recruits, as the SEC does.  This has been a key contributor to the Ags' success in recruiting over the past ten years, and you surely know that, so it's more than a little disingenuous and self-serving for you to suggest that Texas should be doing something that would actually hurt us in relative recruiting.

I care far more about the regular season annual matchups than any potential playoff interaction, so that's what is informing my opinions.  And yes the SEC intends to have Texas play OU, Arkansas, and A&M every year.  The SEC is banking on those rivalry games creating additional excitement and therefore additional viewership.
I don't follow rankings very closely at all, but you and I both know that the main reason why Texas recruiting sucked during that time was because, well, the team sucked.  The last few years of Mack Brown, then Charlie Strong (your version of Fran), and then Tom Herman pretty much put the nail in the lid.  But I do think that Texas recruited well during that time.  You just had bad coaching.  I'd venture to guess that Texas never fell out of the top 20, and probably not even the top 10 in recruiting during most of the 2009-2021 period, and certainly never behind anyone other than OU, and still let Baylor, TCU, and even Kansas outplay you during much of that time.  

OU was in the Big 12 during those same years and seemed to recruit and play pretty well on the field, even coming close to knocking off a few SEC teams in the playoffs.

I recall years ago when people were listing their favorite team other than their own, you listed Michigan.  I don't ever remember anybody that is a Texas fan on this board or in real life being any kind of fan of the SEC, but I do know lots of Aggie fans that were fans of the SEC before we joined including myself. 

Culturally, A&M was a fit in the SEC.  Your president and AD wanted to go to the PAC 10, it was reported.  I don't know how much truth there is to that, but we can both agree that A&M would never even think about going to the PAC 10, and any leader that even breathed as much would be shown the door.  

There is no more such thing as a regional conference, we know that.  Texas being the Big 10, with fellow members Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio State doesn't seem too far fetched to me.  The Big 10 I think seems to be more of an elegant conference, if there is such a thing.  The SEC is a bunch of Brutes, brawn over beauty.  Big 10 (more Michigan than anybody else) will beat you with brains and strength, as Michigan just demonstrated.  

 

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