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Hawkinole

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2024, 11:45:40 AM »
UConn could possibly eventually join the ACC or Big 12 in the future depending on how how expansion goes.  But in the short term UConn is kinda screwed.  UConn may have to consider joining the MAC for football only in the short term. 
Or the PAC-2. There was something about the concept of geography and regional conferences that I once understood.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2024, 12:00:07 PM »
and Maryland
Maryland is leagues better than Rutgers.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2024, 12:17:11 PM »
Do you think the ACC will survive mostly as it is today for five more years?
No.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that FSU would go to the trouble of suing over the GoR if they didn't have a plan to exit upon a successful conclusion of the suit.

I also think that Notre Dame would be raising holy hell over the fact that independents can't get a bye if they expected to be independent much longer.

Based on the two above observations, I think that both FSU and Notre Dame already have at least a strong understanding established with the B1G.

If you take the ND scheduling arrangement and FSU away from the ACC the strongest remaining football brand is Clemson and I'm not sure how strong they are in the long-term.

Clemson won the 1981 NC but I feel like that kinda came out of nowhere and they were unable to sustain elite status for long. Then Dabo had a marvelous run for most of the decade long CFP era. Outside of those two, Clemson is mediocre at best. Maybe they'll return to Dabo's highs but . . .

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2024, 12:22:25 PM »
I'd consider the ACC to be mostly intact even if it losess FSU and one other.  They still have other sports, and could add two teams from the NE.  It's subjective of course.

And football is driving the cart.

If they retain the core of UVA/UNC, I think they're "intact", mostly.  Five years?  I think better than 50-50.


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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #60 on: February 27, 2024, 12:56:09 PM »
Do you think the ACC will survive mostly as it is today for five more years?
As an FSU graduate, I actually think the ACC will survive mostly as is until their grant of rights expires in 2036 if the ACC holds the line, and doesn't negotiate a settlement. FSU signed over all its media rights to the ACC in 2016, meaning that if they leave, and go to another conference, whatever they are paid for television, is to be paid to the ACC. The estimated payout FSU would have to pay the ACC is circa $550M to $600M. In its lawsuit against the ACC, FSU contends this grant of rights provision constitutes an illegal unconscionable penalty. It is not a set exit fee, so I am not so sure it constitutes an illegal unconscionable penalty; FSU signed the contract.

FSU filed its case in Leon County, Florida, claiming jurisdiction was appropriate in Leon County because of the ACC's presence in each state where it has a team. However, the ACC filed suit against FSU in North Carolina concerning the same issues before FSU filed in Florida. So they are arguing now over which lawsuit goes forward, FSU claiming there was no justiciable issue in North Carolina when the ACC filed suit to beat FSU to the courthouse. There will be millions spent on attorneys pursuing and defending the suit. I am surprised the ACC didn't have a forum selection clause in its contract.

When a penalty is set in a specific amount, it is more likely to be considered an illegal penalty provision, if it is not based on a reasonable formula for measuring damages.

I suspect the whole problem FSU is having with remuneration could be solved if Notre Dame were added as a full member, because the ACC media rates would rise. ND's NBC contract makes that a complicated situation for any conference, although perhaps less complicated if ND were to join the Big Ten.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #61 on: February 27, 2024, 01:08:16 PM »
I think it implodes based on the fact that the players are not going to get the same opportunities that they would as B1G or SEC members. Same with the XII.

KU, KSU, Utah, BYU, Colorado the Arizona schools might be looking to join/re-join with OrSU and Wazzu, along with some others. Maybe even Stanford and Cal, and (pretty please) UCLA.

I could see oSu, Tech, WVU, and TCU being of some interest to the SEC. Maybe even KU and KSU.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #62 on: February 27, 2024, 01:18:40 PM »
Maybe the find an out of court settlement somewhere, which I think would mena FSU leaves, but perhaps only after 3-4-5 years, and some payment.  They still would have elite basketball, I think, and some other sports, but not where the money is.

The NIL point is interesting, I have no clue how much NIL money is available at UNC/UVA.  Those programs may be locked into second tier recruiting no matter what.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #63 on: February 27, 2024, 01:18:56 PM »
It has recently been established that FSU can pay to get out of the GOR.  So once FSU officially announces it is leaving and when, it's just a matter of negotiating the price.  Yes the estimates are $550M to $600M,  but that can be negotiated. 

How much is ACC willing to concede to have this not drag out for years? Could they settle for S350M just to make FSU go away.  Hard to say.  They might play hardball with so much money on the line.  If FSU has to pay the full $600M,  that could be a financial disaster for FSU.  So it's not a given yet that FSU is leaving. 

But if FSU leaves,  I would say USF,  UConn,  Tulane are all up as potential replacements.  Doubt the ACC could pry anybody loose from the suddenly stable Big 12.  Maybe WV, Cincy or UCF would jump but not likely.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #64 on: February 27, 2024, 01:20:30 PM »
The ACC likes to pretend academics are important, but they went after Louisville of course.


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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #65 on: February 27, 2024, 01:29:21 PM »
At some point,  you would think that Pitt, WV, Cincy,  Louisville and Memphis all end up in the same conference. 


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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #67 on: February 27, 2024, 01:36:01 PM »
Well, no better source than some CFB "radio host" ...

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #68 on: February 27, 2024, 01:39:48 PM »
Well, no better source than some CFB "radio host" ...
It's Greg Swaim, who is possibly even LESS credible than just some "unnamed CFB radio host."

But still, we've talked about how the B1G could obviously have some interest in that.  The question is, do the Ags reciprocate it at all?


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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #69 on: February 27, 2024, 01:44:51 PM »
I'd guess there is a lot of behind the scenes chat that happens this time of year, most of which is "what if" and ends up nowhere, except some rumor slips out by some unnamed radio host.  

I hea the B1G is in SERIOUS back room conversations with UNC and UVA.....

 

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