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Mdot21

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2023, 07:46:15 AM »
If we had to let in another FL team, it would be Miami.  EVERYONE would love to play games in the most fertile recruiting ground in the country, right? 
Not the SW GA backwoods panhandle.
same reason that I'd much rather prefer Miami if the B1G is looking to get into Florida. Miami is also a better fit academically for the snobs in the B1G that like to tout academics. Plus it's way easier to get to in terms of travel.

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2023, 08:07:04 AM »
If you're taking FSU, take Miami too.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2023, 08:29:47 AM »


The South? 

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2023, 10:16:39 AM »
The BIG and SEC found a way to force an ACC breakup, and will now sort out the valuable pieces, and dump the rest in the garbage can.  

Brilliant.  

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2023, 10:37:33 AM »
My understanding is there was a longtime voting bloc made up of UF, UGA, UK, and S. Carolina, who, together had enough votes to block expansion.  The deal was they all agreed to vote against the admission to the SEC of FSU, Ga. Tech, Louisville, and Clemson. 

If that was the case, I'm not sure how that might have changed since the additions of Texas A&M and Mizzou.  Don't know how many votes are required in the current makeup, and now obviously that probably changes again with the additions of UT and OU. 

I don't know when and how it will happen, but I think it was inevitable that the Big Ten and SEC were going to break up the ACC.  They already killed the PAC and the Big 12, the ACC was never going to stand in the way of their empire-building.  I figure they'll raid the ACC of all its schools worth having, forming two super-conferences.  And a few years after that, the handful of schools driving the tv contracts and revenue generation will shed the have-nots, the Vanderbilts and Purdues, and form one giant super-league spanning the country that tells the NCAA to get lost. 

Then the Emperor will gleefully rub his hands together and say "Your journey to the NFL-side is almost complete."  

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2023, 12:31:54 PM »
I never considered UK in the bloc because UL never seemed like a worthwhile proposition.  But back in the 12-team SEC, UF, UGA, and USCe were enough to prevent an FSU, Miami, GT, or Clemson from joining.
With the additions of A&M and Mizzou, the math still added up, with A&M joining the gang wanting to keep Texas out.
BUT, with Texas joining, you're back to UF, UGA, and USCe, with possibly OU carving out the required 25% (4 of 16) to prevent similar, in-state additions.

But as Texas + OU was too overwhelming to prevent, so too could FSU + Clemson or FSU + Clemson + Miami. 
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2023, 12:55:33 PM »
My thoughts on FSU:

I like the idea of getting into Florida but I've always been opposed to being an obviously junior conference in ANY state.

For now, we aren't:

  • Iowa>ISU
  • B1G>MAC
  • PSU>Pitt
  • tOSU>Cincy
  • USC/UCLA>rest of Cali
  • Washington>WSU
  • Oregon>OrSU
As I see it, the only ones that are even arguable is Indiana where ND>IU/PU and Pennsylvania where an argument could be made.
I’d wager to guess that ~90% of casual CFB football fans could not tell you what state ND is in. I’d also bet 50% of T shirt ND fans couldn’t tell you what state. 

And I’d bet that an not insignificant amount of people would tell you ND ( the college ) is in France. 

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2023, 01:27:58 PM »
The so called bloc was never anything more than a rumor, not even a gentlemen’s agreement. 

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2023, 02:27:15 PM »
The so called bloc was never anything more than a rumor, not even a gentlemen’s agreement.
A&M was a johnny-come-lately, and the combo of Texas & OU was overwhelming. 

UF, UGA, and USCe have stronger bonds.

And anyway, UNC, UVA, and VT are out there and valuable.  Neither the B1G nor the SEC wants to allow the other to grab all the available value out there.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2023, 02:51:31 PM »
If 24 is the goal, I think the B1G would pursue FSU, Miami, GT, UNC, UVA and ND.

The SEC is at 16.

Clemson and VT are obvious choices. Need 6 more now.

NCSU fits.

Pitt?

WVU, oSu, Kansas, TTU?

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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2023, 03:41:58 PM »
maybe 20 each will do it

there aren't 48 teams that bring enough value
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2023, 03:47:59 PM »
It's like Black Friday shopping for Conferences
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2023, 05:25:38 PM »
If 24 is the goal, I think the B1G would pursue FSU, Miami, GT, UNC, UVA and ND.

The SEC is at 16.

Clemson and VT are obvious choices. Need 6 more now.

NCSU fits.

Pitt?

WVU, oSu, Kansas, TTU?


No need to add volume just for the sake of it.  That's how you end up with Rutgers.
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Re: ACC Grant of Rights, expansion talk
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2023, 06:17:46 PM »
and Oregon and Washington and UCLA
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