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Topic: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center

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Cincydawg

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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2025, 09:12:17 AM »
Even if billionaires didn't oppose being taxed, it's still very difficult to propose a legal path to doing it that is realistic, or wouldn't cause certain reactions.

Various European countries tried this, and nearly all reversed it fairly quickly.
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2025, 05:11:11 PM »
It'd be nice if every country got on the same page, because all would benefit.

But if just one doesn't, the super-wealthy will all flock there to house their monies.  I guess because you don't become a billionaire by paying your fair share.  

God forbid.  
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2025, 05:19:43 PM »
Differently countries obviously have, and perhaps "need", very different taxation systems.  The European model taxes this middle much harder than we do here.  They also use blanket VATs of course that tax the poor as well as the middle.  Nobody really taxes "billionaires".  Some pretend to, I don't think they do.

"We" probably should stop viewing billionaries as some new pot of money for revenue because I don't think it's feasible to figure a legal way to tax them at this point that would really work.  I've never seen a workable proposal beyond the vacuous Facebook memes that are ridiculous.

And the wording of the 16th Amendment arguably is a problem with taxing wealth instead of income.  Like most of them, it's a bit vague.

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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2025, 05:21:45 PM »
My point really is that if $X is being spent foolishly, and you stop spending it yourself, you save money.  It doesn't work that way in government.  Congress appropriated $X to be spent, and legally, it has to be spent, on something.  Maybe it can be spent more effectively, great, but it not any savings without Congress changing appropriations.
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #74 on: February 23, 2025, 06:04:01 PM »
I'm pretty tired of certain problems receiving a shrug and an "I guess that's how it has to be"

Echo-o-o-o cham-m-m ber-r-r-r
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #75 on: February 23, 2025, 06:09:46 PM »
You seem to have all the answers, present your solutions.
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #76 on: February 23, 2025, 06:16:11 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 23, 2025, 06:04:01 PM
I'm pretty tired of certain problems receiving a shrug and an "I guess that's how it has to be"

Echo-o-o-o cham-m-m ber-r-r-r
Well then get off the message boards and do something about it Instead of grousing about and ankle biting like we're backsliders with nothing better to do
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #77 on: February 23, 2025, 07:31:28 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 23, 2025, 05:21:45 PM
My point really is that if $X is being spent foolishly, and you stop spending it yourself, you save money.  It doesn't work that way in government.  Congress appropriated $X to be spent, and legally, it has to be spent, on something.  Maybe it can be spent more effectively, great, but it not any savings without Congress changing appropriations.
this seems crazy, but possibly true
is there enforcement on this?  what happens to the agency that doesn't spend all the money?
that money can't be used the next year, or given back somehow?
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #78 on: February 23, 2025, 07:36:06 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 23, 2025, 05:19:43 PM
"We" probably should stop viewing billionaries as some new pot of money for revenue because I don't think it's feasible to figure a legal way to tax them at this point that would really work.  I've never seen a workable proposal beyond the vacuous Facebook memes that are ridiculous.
how about the flat sales tax.
not a luxury tax on yachts or Rolls Royce
an estate tax that sticks
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #79 on: February 23, 2025, 07:46:44 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 23, 2025, 06:09:46 PM
You seem to have all the answers, present your solutions.
Literally the opposite of my point.
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #80 on: February 23, 2025, 09:32:10 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on February 23, 2025, 06:04:01 PM
I'm pretty tired of certain problems receiving a shrug and an "I guess that's how it has to be"

Echo-o-o-o cham-m-m ber-r-r-r
Can you offer any plausible solutions?
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #81 on: February 24, 2025, 08:14:34 AM »
No, offering solutions is the opposite of his point.
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #82 on: February 24, 2025, 08:28:36 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 24, 2025, 08:14:34 AM
No, offering solutions is the opposite of his point.
OK, as usual, I missed his point entirely then.  Complain about some problem, and then complain when folks discuss why the problem exists and may be intractable.

Most of us enjoy throwing out possible "solutions" for discussion and critique.  And if there were some easy workable solution, it would be in place.
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Re: Academic discussion (we'll try) of politics shift away from center
« Reply #83 on: February 24, 2025, 09:06:08 AM »
it's nicer to think about a perfect world where billionaires share their wealth and provide for the poor.
Politicians did the right thing and were NOT selfish to their own interests
Banks, Insurance companies, and casinos were non profit organizations
The SEC shared the football recruits and TV money equally with the northeast and west coast so that all NCAA teams had an equal chance to win a trophy
The Dodgers and Yankees shared with the small market teams and didn't load up their rosters with superstars
and teachers were paid the same as surgeons, cause education is important and people deserve free heathcare
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