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He said at the end of his career, so through 1999.

Don't mind him.  He's just in a hurry to say "NUH UH!" to whatever I post.

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Brady is interesting because in the current era, he'd be the guy who got jumped by a talented up and comer, which fanbases often lose. Granted back then you had things like Brady and Major Applewhite.

What are you talking about? Brady never got jumped by Henson. Brady started every single game his last two seasons at Michigan. In 1999, Brady was the starter, but Lloyd Carr would insert Drew Henson in the 2nd QTR and then in the 2nd half he'd put Brady back in the game. This went on for the first 6 games of the year. After Michigan lost a couple of games and Lloyd Carr was facing a pissed off locker-room and Brady had separated himself from Henson by playing a lot better on the field than Henson- Carr knocked the bullshit off.

Drew Henson was a spectacularly talented player but he was nowhere near ready to be a starting QB back then. Henson missed all of spring ball and summer workouts in 1999 because he was off in Florida playing baseball for the Yankees farm team. Carr did what he did in '99 to appease Drew Henson's father Dan. Drew Henson was maybe the #1 HS football prospect AND the #1 baseball prospect in the entire country in the class of 1998. He probably would've been drafted in the 1st round of the MLB draft had he not signed his LOI to play college football with Michigan. As it stood the Yankees still drafted him in the 3rd round and gave him a $3 million contract to play minor league baseball.

Lloyd Carr was strong-armed by Drew Henson's psycho father Dan Henson into playing Drew in 1999 or else they were going to lose Drew for good to the MLB. Dan Henson was a lunatic. He went to every Michigan practice to watch Drew. He made Lloyd Carr promise them not to sign another QB recruit in the class before Drew or in the same class as Drew. He argued with Lloyd Carr about them not playing Drew enough. He was a white LaVarr Ball before LaVarr Ball. Lloyd Carr is a fool for putting up with that bullshit and always caving in. What happened? Henson kept bailing on spring ball and summer workouts in order to play minor league baseball- time that he should've been putting in with his teammates at Michigan to make the team better- and he wound up quitting football at Michigan a year early anyway to go and sign a $20 million contract with the Yankees. Henson still had maybe the best year I've ever seen by a Michigan QB that junior year. I'll always contend that if he didn't have a psycho for a father and had he given up the baseball dreams and stuck around to commit to football 100% his Sr year he'd have been the #1 pick in the 2002 NFL draft and had a long NFL career.

A WR named Khori Ivy who played in the late 90s.  When he graduated in 2000 he was in the top 3 for career receptions, receiving yards, and TD receptions.  But when he came here he was playing behind two upperclassmen who also went on to finish their careers in the top 3 of those categories.  So he started his career as a third option and even after the other two left and he matched their production I never quite put him in their category even though he deserved to be.

What are you talking about? Brady never got jumped by Henson. Brady started every single game his last two seasons at Michigan. In 1999, Brady was the starter, but Lloyd Carr would insert Drew Henson in the 2nd QTR and then in the 2nd half he'd put Brady back in the game. This went on for the first 6 games of the year. After Michigan lost a couple of games and Lloyd Carr was facing a pissed off locker-room and Brady had separated himself from Henson by playing a lot better on the field than Henson- Carr knocked the bullshit off.

Drew Henson was a spectacularly talented player but he was nowhere near ready to be a starting QB back then. Henson missed all of spring ball and summer workouts in 1999 because he was off in Florida playing baseball for the Yankees farm team. Carr did what he did in '99 to appease Drew Henson's father Dan. Drew Henson was maybe the #1 HS football prospect AND the #1 baseball prospect in the entire country in the class of 1998. He probably would've been drafted in the 1st round of the MLB draft had he not signed his LOI to play college football with Michigan. As it stood the Yankees still drafted him in the 3rd round and gave him a $3 million contract to play minor league baseball.

Lloyd Carr was strong-armed by Drew Henson's psycho father Dan Henson into playing Drew in 1999 or else they were going to lose Drew for good to the MLB. Dan Henson was a lunatic. He went to every Michigan practice to watch Drew. He made Lloyd Carr promise them not to sign another QB recruit in the class before Drew or in the same class as Drew. He argued with Lloyd Carr about them not playing Drew enough. He was a white LaVarr Ball before LaVarr Ball. Lloyd Carr is a fool for putting up with that bullshit and always caving in. What happened? Henson kept bailing on spring ball and summer workouts in order to play minor league baseball- time that he should've been putting in with his teammates at Michigan to make the team better- and he wound up quitting football at Michigan a year early anyway to go and sign a $20 million contract with the Yankees. Henson still had maybe the best year I've ever seen by a Michigan QB that junior year. I'll always contend that if he didn't have a psycho for a father and had he given up the baseball dreams and stuck around to commit to football 100% his Sr year he'd have been the #1 pick in the 2002 NFL draft and had a long NFL career.

I didn't phrase it the best, but basically this.

In our current era, and at times historically, fans have been very quick to hope a "talented" player brimming with potential surpasses (or sometimes rotates) a player with a higher ceiling and lower floor. I wasn't paying attention back then, but would've been interest to see if that wasn't or was the case (you're telling me it was not in the moment, I think?).

Marcus Rush.

He was undersized, and early in his career was nearly useless in short yardage situations.  I think in the 2011 Wisconsin regular season game, MSU had to take Rush out, because UW was just running at him every play.  But he was a 4 time HM All-Big Ten player, who had the fortune/misfortune of playing opposite Will Gholston and then Shilique Calhoun, possibly the two best DE during that time.  That meant he was never going to be the guy opponents worried about, but it also probably jaded my opinion of what a good DE should be.

I didn't phrase it the best, but basically this.

In our current era, and at times historically, fans have been very quick to hope a "talented" player brimming with potential surpasses (or sometimes rotates) a player with a higher ceiling and lower floor. I wasn't paying attention back then, but would've been interest to see if that wasn't or was the case (you're telling me it was not in the moment, I think?).

Oh ok. I got you now. 

It absolutely was that way in the moment. The fan treatment of Brady wasn’t great. They absolutely wanted Drew Henson to be the guy. They all wanted the shiny new OMG 5 STARZ! to play. Drew Henson was a huge deal back in the day. He was a super-star recruit before the internet recruiting sites and YouTubes and social media.

This guy was on the cover of Sports Illustrated as a high school senior being hyped as the next John Elway. He broke the National high school home run record in baseball and was also being hailed as the top QB prospect in a decade. 

Carr caved into the pressure from Henson’s lunatic father and maybe even the pressure from the fan base. The head coach however should know better though. Head coach should never let a player or parent of a player hold him hostage. And the head coach should be smart enough to see the experienced guy (Brady) was busting his ass to get better in spring ball and summer workouts and leading the team in the off-season (which is why he was named team captain) - while the other younger guy with zero experience was off in Florida playing baseball during spring ball and summer workouts.

Carr really just screwed the entire situation up to be honest. He handled it like a moron. And he was so scared of losing Henson- and what happened? He wound up losing him a year early anyway. 

I don’t think it can be stated enough though just how insanely gifted Henson was. The guy was an Adonis. A handful of QBs have been compared to Elway- Henson is the only one I’ve seen on that level talent wise. He really was the next Elway. And he threw it all away to play a sport he loved more but wasn’t quite as special at. His skill set in baseball was high level- don’t get me wrong. But his skill set at QB was out of this world. 6’4, 230 with an ungodly arm but he also threw with great accuracy and touch and he could really run. Andrew Luck was called the closest thing to Elway but he wasn’t to me. Luck never had that rarefied arm. Henson had that arm plus all the size and athleticism.